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gog85 said:
pearljammer said:
shams said:

The amazing thing with the DSi is that DSi games will NOT RUN on a DS!! So it really is a new handheld (it has extra RAM, as well as the camera and other features).

Am I missing something? How is that amazing? I think that's terrible... I had no idea. I hope I don't have to buy a new DS just to play newer games!?

Someone put my mind at ease, please. I think I'm reading way too much into this... For example, do you mean only games that take advantage of the new camera feature? I really haven't read anything on the DSI.

OT: I couldn't care much what the next Nintendo system's resolution is. That wasn't at all what bothered me about my Wii. But to answer your question: yes, I would be more than satisfied.

DSi will have exclusive software but it's all DSWare via download. all new retail releases will work on all DS hardware unless Nintendo say otherwise.

 

this, don't be confused.  All DS software works on DSi, the only things that don't work are the downloadable DSi games which you can't even put on your DS anyway because it doesn't have any space.

 



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Squilliam said:
Mr Khan said:
Squilliam said:
I am personally interested in whatever technology they use to reach their performance and packaging requirements. The technology and design of the Wii HD will be interesting because above all else it must be power efficient. Theres the fact that they will probably need to use a conventional architecture for the GPU for the first time and that makes me wonder if they will use something like an all AMD system with what is essentially a tweaked laptop CPU+GPU combination.

Its unfortunate that car journalists will give a 10 page brief to some me-too sports car but barely spend 3 pages on the technology inside the most important car in the world, the Corolla where 100x the people will buy and use the vehicle. In a way Nintendo is following the lead of other Japanese companies in that real people, your typical every day people are important to them and you can see it in the care they put into their "boring" car ranges.

 

I believe Nintendo has renewed their contract with IBM and ATI, and if i had to make a bet, the Wii HD is going to be very similar to the Xbox 360 in terms of architecture (multicore PowerPC based CPU), if slightly more powerful (same CPU clock, say, but with 1 GB of RAM instead of 512 MB)

If you want to see the future of Nintendo consoles, though, look at the DSi. I've said that the DSi is a "half-generation upgrade," and thus is a rare glimpse into how Nintendo plans to upgrade their "disruptor" generation of platforms

Do you have a link handy for the IBM + ATI development? If not thats fine, im just interested.

I prefer the "Phaser" theory about Nintendo market strategy over the "Disrupter" theory. To be quite frank I distrust the proponents of "Disrupter" theory and question their motives. But I can see how they would benifit from releasing an updated Wii.

They could these with an updated Wii+:

  • Incorperate Wii motion + into the console
  • Include HDMI output and build in a scaler chip to give better images on HD TVs
  • Increase the ram/flash storage to allow for faster loading and a wider range of services to be offered on the system.

I call it my *3 I* theory or *iii* for short..

 

 

 

Interesting theory, the only problem I see is that it only upgrade existing feature(graphic, motion, memory) and add nothing new. I am not saying that if Nintendo follow that model it won't do some of these thing but it won't only do that, it doesn't follow if you take the DSi as an example.

I think that if they go that way they would at least incorporate Wii Speak into the console and maybe something else.



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I would be ok with Wii 2 out-putting at 480i honestly.



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Malachi said:
Squilliam said:

Do you have a link handy for the IBM + ATI development? If not thats fine, im just interested.

I prefer the "Phaser" theory about Nintendo market strategy over the "Disrupter" theory. To be quite frank I distrust the proponents of "Disrupter" theory and question their motives. But I can see how they would benifit from releasing an updated Wii.

They could these with an updated Wii+:

  • Incorperate Wii motion + into the console
  • Include HDMI output and build in a scaler chip to give better images on HD TVs
  • Increase the ram/flash storage to allow for faster loading and a wider range of services to be offered on the system.

I call it my *3 I* theory or *iii* for short..

 

 

 

Interesting theory, the only problem I see is that it only upgrade existing feature(graphic, motion, memory) and add nothing new. I am not saying that if Nintendo follow that model it won't do some of these thing but it won't only do that, it doesn't follow if you take the DSi as an example.

I think that if they go that way they would at least incorporate Wii Speak into the console and maybe something else.

Its an obvious incremental upgrade, it will ensure that Wii motion+ becomes adopted by developers and there are some useful and nice things they can do like pre-install Wii Sports onto the system so its available all the time rather than packaging it in a DVD case with the console. What else do they really need to add/change in the system?

 



Tease.

Kind of an aside to this topic but i think one of the consequences of Nintendo splitting the market this generation by producing a significantly less powerful console is that both Sony and Microsoft are going to be a little careful about producing consoles way above the specs of WiiII.

They were confident at the start of this gen that Nintendo was a virtual non-entity but going into the next gen they are going to be much more wary about producing a console that is a) much more expensive b) has significantly different specs. With the momentum that Nintendo has now and is likely to maintain until the end of the generation if the HD twins differentiate themselves too much from Nintendo i think they risk sacrificing a lot of developer support. The upshot of all this is i think most of the next-gen contenders will have relatively similar specs, a least closer than they are this gen. Whether that's 720p or 1080p as a standard remains to be seen.



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yep. 720p is perfectly fine for TVs



hsrob said:
Kind of an aside to this topic but i think one of the consequences of Nintendo splitting the market this generation by producing a significantly less powerful console is that both Sony and Microsoft are going to be a little careful about producing consoles way above the specs of WiiII.

They were confident at the start of this gen that Nintendo was a virtual non-entity but going into the next gen they are going to be much more wary about producing a console that is a) much more expensive b) has significantly different specs. With the momentum that Nintendo has now and is likely to maintain until the end of the generation if the HD twins differentiate themselves too much from Nintendo i think they risk sacrificing a lot of developer support. The upshot of all this is i think most of the next-gen contenders will have relatively similar specs, a least closer than they are this gen. Whether that's 720p or 1080p as a standard remains to be seen.

 

 Yeah I think this is a good point, and it reminds me of something I was gonna type.  I think it could be a drawback for Nintendo to go gung ho on specs next time around (despite my preference and last post) because I think it is something of a dismay to fans after their stance this time around.  Also I think many like the budget gaming experience that the Wii offered. 

   However that bieng said, I think thats the lesser of the two (possible) negitive scenarios given the fact that mostly 1. Regular people won't care or debate about it, or be like, OMG the BIG N sold us out, quathzors!!! and they may or may not buy Wii 2 either way depentand upon their own ... what the damn word... con.. consumorities???? .. creature comfort, type....whatever!  Normal people don't care is what I'm tryin to say, and their purchase has been predetermined because they are normal and they just buy on command.   NOW 2. is the gamer factor.  More Gamers will be interested in Wii 2 than NOT in my opinion if it is more of a tech powerhouse rather than less of one.  so to me those things tip the scales.



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Resolution isn't the main problem now and probably it won't  be the main problem for the Wii 2. Some people here tend to believe resolution is only thing that differ Wii and HD systems. Someone even claimed that 360 shooters look like 20% better than Wiis (in metroid thread IIRC). I say lol. Quality is in detail.

Upgrade just resolution for current games and you will find them empty and sterile. Unfortunately low tech system works well for Nintendo and anyone who thinks they will change it should think again.

 

 



I would be most happy with jus 780p, 480p is just NOT DONE on a LCD TV. Sorry Ninty, despite your Wii is a fun console, but GFX are just outdated, period. If their next Wii will be in 480p as well, I'm not gonna buy it.



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Squilliam said:
Malachi said:
Squilliam said:

Do you have a link handy for the IBM + ATI development? If not thats fine, im just interested.

I prefer the "Phaser" theory about Nintendo market strategy over the "Disrupter" theory. To be quite frank I distrust the proponents of "Disrupter" theory and question their motives. But I can see how they would benifit from releasing an updated Wii.

They could these with an updated Wii+:

  • Incorperate Wii motion + into the console
  • Include HDMI output and build in a scaler chip to give better images on HD TVs
  • Increase the ram/flash storage to allow for faster loading and a wider range of services to be offered on the system.

I call it my *3 I* theory or *iii* for short..

 

 

 

Interesting theory, the only problem I see is that it only upgrade existing feature(graphic, motion, memory) and add nothing new. I am not saying that if Nintendo follow that model it won't do some of these thing but it won't only do that, it doesn't follow if you take the DSi as an example.

I think that if they go that way they would at least incorporate Wii Speak into the console and maybe something else.

Its an obvious incremental upgrade, it will ensure that Wii motion+ becomes adopted by developers and there are some useful and nice things they can do like pre-install Wii Sports onto the system so its available all the time rather than packaging it in a DVD case with the console. What else do they really need to add/change in the system?

 

Exactly, it's an incremantal upgrade, nothing else, which is why I say they would add something else along with it if they ever do this. Wii wasn't just an incremental upgrade like the other system, incremantal upgrade after a certain threshold simply offer lower value to the majority of consumer at an higher cost(HD is a good example), why do a Wii+, which would cost more to make, if it doesn't increase, or barely increase, the demand for the system.

A whole new feature(like Wii Speak) which can be used for certain game(like the DSi camera) would add a lot more value to the system than some more memory or a scaler for the minority of TV owner. WM+ can be incorporated in the controller without any change in the console like Sony did with the analogue stick during the PS1 era.

Oh, and they won't ever install Wii Sport on the Wii instead of packaging it even if they ever have the memory for it. It would reduce it visibility among other thing.

People need to stop thinking the Wii need to be more like the 360 or PS3 to be more popular, it fly into the face of the fact on the front page of this site.

 



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