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Batman...WTF? on 03 January 2009
BTFeather55 said:
BengaBenga said:
BTFeather55 said:
burch0079 said:

i don't think so Wii is dominating XB360 and Ps3

 

      Yeah, but what is happening in the present has very little bearing upon the future.  What if Sony announced tomorrow that they were bringing out PS Sports and it was going to use the space available on the blu-ray to have 100 more times the number of Sports games that you can play in Wii Sports and they were going to use the graphics capabilities of the PS3 to have lifelike models of some of the most famous fitness and sports figures teach you how to do things and that the characters would be much better looking and that they were bringing out their own even more refined motion control remote to go with it?  That it was going to be the Gran Turismo of motion control sports titles?  It might blow Wii Sports out of the water?  Or what if like Coleco did to the Atari 2600, they came out with a device that let you play Wii games on the PS3? 

 

I think you missed the part where the average consumer doesn't care about graphics, or else PS3 would already be where Wii is now. Besides no-one cares about 100 Sports games. They just want to Bowl and get Fit. PS3 will never get the exposure Wii has on this front. People play Wii at someone's place and after that they want a Wii themselves. That's how it goes. Not even "100 sports games in glorious HD" would change anything about that.

I don't know how it is going to be selling in such low numbers with such huge exclusives as God of War III, Hideo Kojima's Policenauts 2, Dare I say it Shenmue 3, Metal Gear 5, Trico, Final Fantasy XIII exclusive to Japan and the blu-ray version being by far the best one in the rest of the world, FF Versus XIII, and still possibly FFVII Blu-Ray and Kingdom Hearts III, a number of new games from Naughty Dog including new Jak and Daxter:  The Lost Territory and Uncharted 2 and 3 , Insomniac with Resistance 3 and probably two more Ratchet games, and Sucker Punch InFamous I-III and new Sly Cooper, Heavy Rain being the rebirth of cinematic gaming, and Gran Turismo 5 all on the way.

You're so desperate that you invent half the titles in your list out of nowhere? Why not add FFVII remake while you're at it.

Also explain why BluRay would make FFXIII better? And no: no disc swaps doesn't make the game actually better. It does make it more convenient. Besides Resistance, Ratchet, Uncharted, etc already are on PS3 and didn't skyrocket its sales, did it?

The "rebirth of cinematic gaming" (pathetic) will bomb like hell, I'll tell you that about the "rebirth of cinematic gaming".

 

      It's not that the average consumer doesn't know about graphics.  It is the fact that the average person that has inflated the Wii's sales to the point where they are right now all the seniors, etc, the new demographic that Wii fans are always saying the Wii has brought to gaming don't know that much about games, and they think the Wii is just as technologically as capable as the PS3 simply because it is supposed to be a "next gen" game console.  Of course when they really start look to take a harder look at games, they will realize that the PS3 is a much more capable console and begin to buy it in earnest.

 

     BluRay will make Final Fantasy XIII better because the cinematics and the music which are a pivotal feature of FF games are going to be compressed into lower quality sizes on the 360.  It will basically be the difference between the dvd version of The Dark Knight and the Bluray version of The Dark Knight.

 

    Yeah right, Heavy Rain will be one of the biggest selling games in 2009.

No Wii owner gives a flying fuck about graphics. They care about money. If they really want beter graphics, they'd go for the cheapest HD console, a 360. The people who buy a Wii and think it has the same graphics as a PS3 will NEVER buy a PS3. They just aren't into graphics. They like what they got with the Wii. Stop trying to convince yourself otherwise, the PS3 lost. And unless the trend changes



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BTFeather55 on 03 January 2009
abcdario said:
Final-Fan said:

^ Wow. Cool down. (If you make many more faces it might fall off!)

And GCN did not "barely survive".

And you actually got called a Pikmin?? I have never heard of that before. It must have been a strange thing to experience.

 

The GCN did not "barely survive", u r right, it died after his 3rd year in the market, it only took the EA´s Sports Series and maybe two games more. I hate to admit it, but it was what happened, we only could eat "Mario Salad Party", "Mario Beach Party", "Mario Kart Party", and at the very end "The Legend of Zelda TTP", nothing more to be remarkable of.

 

It is soooo funny, but the PS3 is experimenting this same problems, IN HIS SECOND YEAR !, only 3 or 4 games to talk about and nothing more ! :P Muajajajajjajaa

 

      Only three to four games to speak of?  Game Trailers said the PS3 had by far the best lineup in terms of quality games in 2008 of all the systems.  And the vast majority of those PS3 games unlike the vast majority of the 360's big exclusives with the exceptions of one or two didn't turn out to be meh at best as far as game quality goes.  eg. Ninja Gaiden II, Too Human, Infinite Undiscovery, Tales of Vesperia, Lost Odyssey, The Last Remnant all coming in with D's to B- at best scores at Metacritic and  the 360's 2008 only being redeemed by Fable 2 with a B+ and Gears 2 as far as having a good year for gaming goes.  The 360 exclusives for 2009 Alan Wake and Halo Wars won't turn out any better.  



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Kantor on 03 January 2009

This is just ridiculous. People actually believe it isn't going to reach 40 million.

Okay, let me explain this in simple terms:

2009: 7 million to make 26.5 million
2010: 6 million to make 32.5 million
2011: 5 million to make 37.5 million
2012: 4 million to make 41.5 million.

Assuming that for some reason, PS3 sales start steadily dropping (which is completely groundless, why would sales DROP after a price cut?) and it sells until 2012, it will still sell 40 million. This level of "PS3 IS TEH DOOMEDZ" is just plain ridiculous.

Now tell me, why is the 360 outselling the PS3? Is it because of games? A little. Live? A little. Price? A LOT. The PS3 is a $400 console in a recession. It will not always be a $400 in a recession. The recession will not last forever, the $400 price tag will not last forever. God, it's like early 2007 all over again!

40 million: Definitely
50 million: Definitely
60 million: Probably
70 million: Possibly
80 million: Unlikely
90 million: Very Unlikely
100 million: Impossible (Sorry, CrazzyMan)



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BTFeather55 on 03 January 2009
Kantor said:
This is just ridiculous. People actually believe it isn't going to reach 40 million.

Okay, let me explain this in simple terms:

2009: 7 million to make 26.5 million
2010: 6 million to make 32.5 million
2011: 5 million to make 37.5 million
2012: 4 million to make 41.5 million.

Assuming that for some reason, PS3 sales start steadily dropping (which is completely groundless, why would sales DROP after a price cut?) and it sells until 2012, it will still sell 40 million. This level of "PS3 IS TEH DOOMEDZ" is just plain ridiculous.

Now tell me, why is the 360 outselling the PS3? Is it because of games? A little. Live? A little. Price? A LOT. The PS3 is a $400 console in a recession. It will not always be a $400 in a recession. The recession will not last forever, the $400 price tag will not last forever. God, it's like early 2007 all over again!

40 million: Definitely
50 million: Definitely
60 million: Probably
70 million: Possibly
80 million: Unlikely
90 million: Very Unlikely
100 million: Impossible (Sorry, CrazzyMan)

     Might not be over 100 million until 2016 and a couple of years after the PS4 releases, but there is every chance that it will be ahead of the Wii when Wii Advance comes out because the Wii is going to have a much harder time selling its second 50 million units than it has its first 50 million units.

 



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dunno001 on 03 January 2009

It's going to be a close call. I really think it will depend on what Sony themselves does.

Sales during 2008 were about 10.4 million. If they were to do a price cut in the first half of 2009 (which I don't expect), they would see a markedly better year, leading to about 12-13 million more systems in 2009, and passing 40 million in mid-late 2010. If they delay the price cut to 4Q, they'll merely 'salvage' 2009, and see sales comparable to that of 2008- about 10 million, and not pass 40 million until late 2010 at the earliest. No price cuts in 2009 means that breaking 40M in 2010 is out of the question, and further, no price cuts through the first half of 2010 (from now) would be suicidal, and cost Sony enough ground to not be able to break the 40M lifetime.



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abcdario on 04 January 2009
BTFeather55 said:
abcdario said:
Final-Fan said:

^ Wow. Cool down. (If you make many more faces it might fall off!)

And GCN did not "barely survive".

And you actually got called a Pikmin?? I have never heard of that before. It must have been a strange thing to experience.

 

The GCN did not "barely survive", u r right, it died after his 3rd year in the market, it only took the EA´s Sports Series and maybe two games more. I hate to admit it, but it was what happened, we only could eat "Mario Salad Party", "Mario Beach Party", "Mario Kart Party", and at the very end "The Legend of Zelda TTP", nothing more to be remarkable of.

 

It is soooo funny, but the PS3 is experimenting this same problems, IN HIS SECOND YEAR !, only 3 or 4 games to talk about and nothing more ! :P Muajajajajjajaa

 

      Only three to four games to speak of?  Game Trailers said the PS3 had by far the best lineup in terms of quality games in 2008 of all the systems.  And the vast majority of those PS3 games unlike the vast majority of the 360's big exclusives with the exceptions of one or two didn't turn out to be meh at best as far as game quality goes.  eg. Ninja Gaiden II, Too Human, Infinite Undiscovery, Tales of Vesperia, Lost Odyssey, The Last Remnant all coming in with D's to B- at best scores at Metacritic and  the 360's 2008 only being redeemed by Fable 2 with a B+ and Gears 2 as far as having a good year for gaming goes.  The 360 exclusives for 2009 Alan Wake and Halo Wars won't turn out any better.  

 

Bah, we also had lots of "great makes" to speak of, but none of them really helped . . .

 

Did those games. besides MGS4, help the PS3 to close the gap against the X360 this year ?



abcdario on 04 January 2009
Kantor said:
This is just ridiculous. People actually believe it isn't going to reach 40 million.

Okay, let me explain this in simple terms:

2009: 7 million to make 26.5 million
2010: 6 million to make 32.5 million
2011: 5 million to make 37.5 million
2012: 4 million to make 41.5 million.

Now tell me, why is the 360 outselling the PS3? Is it because of games? A little. Live? A little. Price? A LOT. The PS3 is a $400 console in a recession. It will not always be a $400 in a recession. The recession will not last forever, the $400 price tag will not last forever. God, it's like early 2007 all over again!

 

Do you know how many does a console sells when they are in the last position ?

Do you think it will be there still in 2012 ? May be it will be alive in 2011, but there is no way it will still be there in the market by 2012, as you can see, only the leader can keep itself with good games for 6 years, the next one can only last for 5 years and the last one mostly dies before. It is not like i m talking without fundaments, just look at the pictures before, the PSone era and the PStwo era.

In case u dont consider the Wii in the same market as the X360/PS3, then the leading would go to X360, leaving the PS3 fighting a strong Wii in japan, a strong X360 in USA and a mixed bag in Europe.



Max King of the Wild on 04 January 2009
abcdario said:
BTFeather55 said:
abcdario said:
Final-Fan said:

^ Wow. Cool down. (If you make many more faces it might fall off!)

And GCN did not "barely survive".

And you actually got called a Pikmin?? I have never heard of that before. It must have been a strange thing to experience.

 

The GCN did not "barely survive", u r right, it died after his 3rd year in the market, it only took the EA´s Sports Series and maybe two games more. I hate to admit it, but it was what happened, we only could eat "Mario Salad Party", "Mario Beach Party", "Mario Kart Party", and at the very end "The Legend of Zelda TTP", nothing more to be remarkable of.

 

It is soooo funny, but the PS3 is experimenting this same problems, IN HIS SECOND YEAR !, only 3 or 4 games to talk about and nothing more ! :P Muajajajajjajaa

 

      Only three to four games to speak of?  Game Trailers said the PS3 had by far the best lineup in terms of quality games in 2008 of all the systems.  And the vast majority of those PS3 games unlike the vast majority of the 360's big exclusives with the exceptions of one or two didn't turn out to be meh at best as far as game quality goes.  eg. Ninja Gaiden II, Too Human, Infinite Undiscovery, Tales of Vesperia, Lost Odyssey, The Last Remnant all coming in with D's to B- at best scores at Metacritic and  the 360's 2008 only being redeemed by Fable 2 with a B+ and Gears 2 as far as having a good year for gaming goes.  The 360 exclusives for 2009 Alan Wake and Halo Wars won't turn out any better.  

 

Bah, we also had lots of "great makes" to speak of, but none of them really helped . . .

 

Did those games. besides MGS4, help the PS3 to close the gap against the X360 this year ?

 

Just because the 360 sold faster doesnt mean the ps3 sold poorly. You are trying to argue if the ps3 will reach 40 million or not instead of just trolling.



Final-Fan on 04 January 2009
abcdario said:
Final-Fan said:
^ Wow. Cool down. (If you make many more faces it might fall off!)

And GCN did not "barely survive".

And you actually got called a Pikmin?? I have never heard of that before. It must have been a strange thing to experience.
The GCN did not "barely survive", u r right, it died after his 3rd year in the market, it only took the EA´s Sports Series and maybe two games more. I hate to admit it, but it was what happened, we only could eat "Mario Salad Party", "Mario Beach Party", "Mario Kart Party", and at the very end "The Legend of Zelda TTP", nothing more to be remarkable of.

It is soooo funny, but the PS3 is experimenting this same problems, IN HIS SECOND YEAR !, only 3 or 4 games to talk about and nothing more ! :P Muajajajajjajaa

In the Gamecube's 4th year, it got Resident Evil 4 -- the best RE game ever -- the game so awesome the PS2 stole it from the Gamecube. 

Anyway, "barely surviving" implies that it was close to dying.  Nintendo was never even remotely close to considering folding up shop.  They made their games, made nice profit, and plotted sweet revenge.  (If I was you I'd be typing maniacal laughter here.)



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abcdario on 04 January 2009
Max King of the Wild said:
abcdario said:

 

Bah, we also had lots of "great makes" to speak of, but none of them really helped . . .

 

Did those games. besides MGS4, help the PS3 to close the gap against the X360 this year ?

 

Just because the 360 sold faster doesnt mean the ps3 sold poorly. You are trying to argue if the ps3 will reach 40 million or not instead of just trolling.

We are talking about sales, and my point since then is that "No matter which games came out, it is too late for the PS3 to overtake the X360", i m not just talking, i have two generations behind to stand for this affirmation.

 

"In the Gamecube's 4th year, it got Resident Evil 4 -- the best RE game ever -- the game so awesome the PS2 stole it from the Gamecube. 

Anyway, "barely surviving" implies that it was close to dying.  Nintendo was never even remotely close to considering folding up shop.  They made their games, made nice profit, and plotted sweet revenge.  (If I was you I'd be typing maniacal laughter here.)"

 

Ah my beloved RE4 :'(, if i ever m going to buy a "HD System" it will be cause of RE5 :'(, ok, back to the topic, the game was great, but still the path for the GCN was already made, it got also Tales of Symphonia and some other games more, but it was very hard to change the mind perception of the market about the system: "Only buy it for Nintendo´s games", the 3rd party went away, the players went away and at the end it was only Nintendo supporing, the system at the end of its life as it happened with the N64.

And when i said "Barely surviving" i meant how alive the GCN was, it was not like "Nintendo is doomed" and all of those gifs i used to watch, but the system didnt make it, if i m no wrong, Nintendo eve made more profit than Sony in the last two generation so we all were sure there was going to be a next Ninty system.

 

OK, back to the PS3 treat, mmm i dont think seriously it will get 40 million by the end of the generation, which i bet is going to happen in the fall of 2010, in case we are talking about 2011, they may get there, but it would be very hard considering that it wont be Japan there(which only support one system and is now focused with the portable ones) and the USA area will still be a twinleadership with X360 for the HD and Wii for the mass market, PS3´s only remain would be Europe, but with the recession the global world is facing, not even a price drop would be able to equilibrate the weights, remember that the 3rd party also face recesion and they are going to priorize developments to the sucessful system.