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40 million should definitely be reached. I expect somewhere around 45-50 million Lifetime.

End 2008: 19 million
End 2009: 29 million (enough big games to keep selling at current rate)
End 2010: 38 million (GT5, FFXIII)
End 2011: 44 million (Here's where the new consoles arrive)
Lifetime: 45-50 million



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The PS3 would have to sell over 20 M to make 40 M by the end of this year. The 360 definitely will be over 40 M by the end of this year. Perhaps the 360 will have 43-46 M, while the PS3 ends the year at around 34-36 M. If the 360 outpaces the PS3 again this year it will stretch the gap to 10 M. The Wii would've doubled both by reaching 86 M consoles sold and in 2010 reaching 100 M by 2nd quarter.



BTFeather55 said:
Final-Fan said:
BTFeather55 said:
Final-Fan said:
BTFeather55 said:
BTFeather55 said:
In another post, I said it was unlikely that the Nextbox would be coming out in 2009,  I also said it would be surprising if it comes out any later than 2010.  Of course until GDC 2009 and E3 2009 roll around without a NB announcement, then the four year console notion may be discredited but not disproven.  There is a difference.
Microsoft is much more likely to try to release a new system with an IP like Gears 3 than Forza.  I'm sure Epic and Microsoft won't have much trouble reaching an agreement on a third game in the series considering the first one has already sold 5 million copies and the second one is heading towards that number as well.  Forza has only sold a little over 4 million copies and it won't reach 5 million before Gears II does even though it was released quit a bit longer ago.

There is evidence that Microsoft has been in the planning stages of the next xbox for quite a while.  In '08 more than a couple of hints were released about it and even the announcement that one of its games was already in development.

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3165235
http://gizmodo.com/5063680/next-xbox-will-upgrade-xbox-360-games-to-look-amazing-use-new-controller-features
Well of course all 3 console makers are at some point in the planning stages.  But that doesn't say much about the timeline on the console's release, not even having at least one game in development.

Earlier, I believe you said that the next Xbox would come out at such and such a time because of the timing with the next Gears of War game.  But although these big exclusives are indeed juggernauts, they are not in fact able to push around console launches.  If Gears of War 3 is considered a critical asset to the next Xbox's launch window, it can get delayed more easily than MS will revise its preferred launch timing.
Microsoft's preferred launch timing is November 2010.  The longest that the delay between Gears 2 and 3 is will be 3 years much as it was between Halo 2 and 3 giving Microsoft a year to get the Nextbox's price point down to a more consumer friendly one while keeping the clamor for Gears 3 as high as it has been built.  History in this industry tends to repeat itself.
What history are you referring to?  Halo 3 was two years after the 360 launch, and Halo was not a known franchise at the Xbox launch.

Why do you say that 2010 is the preferred launch year?  All I can concentrate on is Arthur C. Clarke references.
Actually, Halo was a very well known franchise at its launch.  The same issue of Next Generation magazine which had the announcement of the original xbox console also had an article that listed The Top 25 Games that would have the potential to be the next big franchises in gaming and Halo was listed prominently.  This was when Halo was still thought to be a PC game and no one had any idea that it was going to be an xbox game.

Because of Gears of War 3.  Gears 2 launched 2 years after the original, so if you expect there to be two years between Gears 2 and 3, then you would expect Gears 3 to come out in November of 2010.  However, if MS were to follow a Halo 3 type pattern for the next xbox, then Gears 3 could be coming out in 2011 with the next xbox launching a year earlier as they did with the 360 so that it could gain a bit of marketshare with some new franchises while they tried to get the price down to a more consumer friendly one with the release of Halo 3 in 2007.  I don't think Gears 3 will be coming out as late as 2012 because the three years between the three Halo games gave Gears enough time to come along and still a bit of that series thunder nor to I expect a Gears 4 to be the big launch game of the NextBox because there is traditionally a bit of burnout in series when they go beyond trilogy format.  Examples of this burnout include Star Wars movies past the third one, original Batman series movies past the third one,  and in gaming Splinter Cell and Tomb Raider both lost a bit of momentum trying to extend their series past three games.  Three is still the magic number for franchise length across most media.

I'm not saying Halo wasn't on the radar; but it wasn't an extablished franchise.  Halo 1 wasn't big like Halo 2 or 3; same with Gears of War, Uncharted, etc. etc.

What if Gears 3 came out in 2010 and Gears 4 came out in 2012 as a launch game with the new console?  I understand what you're saying about the trilogy thing, and there are a lot of good examples, but on the other hand it's not as bad as you think.  Star Wars doesn't count because the other movies are so separated from the originals.  They didn't keep making them.  IMO Batman went downhill after 2 movies, not 3.  I don't know as much about Splinter Cell or Tomb Raider. 

And there are many examples of franchises that don't go downhill after 3.  Super Mario World.  Resident Evil 4.  (OK, that's cheating, but still.)  Zelda (Link's Awakening).  Final Fantasy IV.  Mario Kart Wii.  (Some people would disagree -- wrong people.)



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S.T.A.G.E. said:

The PS3 would have to sell over 20 M to make 40 M by the end of this year. The 360 definitely will be over 40 M by the end of this year. Perhaps the 360 will have 43-46 M, while the PS3 ends the year at around 34-36 M. If the 360 outpaces the PS3 again this year it will stretch the gap to 10 M. The Wii would've doubled both by reaching 86 M consoles sold and in 2010 reaching 100 M by 2nd quarter.

 

So you expect both PS3 and 360 to sell at a higher yearly rate than they ever did? Especially the 360 in its 4th year? Very unlikely. PS3 selling 20 million a year is also very unlikely. December was down from the year before.



I think 40M is a reasonable lifetime prediction for the PS3 if it keeps selling at the current level. This would assume that third party games keep coming, Sony can afford the occasional price drop, and the big first party games don't flop too badly.

There's a small chance that weak sales and the worsening financial situation are going to cause some sort of a disaster for Sony, but barring that the PS3 is probably going to end up somewhere around 40-60M.



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Yes, but Resistance II and LBP are no God of War, Gran Turismo, and at least two exclusive Final Fantasy games.  Uncharted has already proven that it is a series that can sell multiple millions of units and MGS 4 shows that exclusive games in established franchises can have good sales on the PS3.  MGS 4 has still sold more units than Gears II.  Final Fantasy XIII will move an additional 1 to 2 million PS3 units in Japan at launch and so will FF Versus XIII.  Plus, the PS3 is outselling the 360 by 3 times as many units in Japan as the 360 a trend which will continue for the rest of this gen and at the very least provide for an adequately long life for the PS3 due to favorable reception in the Asian market.
Not according to VG Chartz.

It's not outselling the 360 as much as it used to, but more importantly, beating the 360 in Japan is like winning the Special Olympics.

The PS3 is a decent 2nd place in Japan -- it might end up with sales in Japan similar to the N64 (5.55m) -- but is that really as good as you're saying?  Second place in Japan is usually WAY second.
It will do much better in Japan than the N64.  That is a given considering that the PS3 is going to have two exclusive Final Fantasies in that territory while the N64 didn't even have one.

Yeah, FFXIII twice.  Final Fantasy is huge in Japan, and believe me I'm not one to underestimate the franchise, but it's not going to singlehandedly put rocket boosters on the console for the whole generation.  We'll see an absolutely massive spike when the games hit, of course, and let's even suppose you get your 1-2 million.  That would be a mind-boggling success given the fact that it would be a couple of games singlehandedly increasing the user base in Japan by up to 50% or more.  If that happens, I guess you're right that it'll do better than the N64, and Saturn too, making it the most successful second place console ever in Japan not counting handhelds (the PSP). 

But please define "much" better because I still think you're being too optimistic even if your FFXIII dream comes true.  Which it won't:  Crisis Core sold 490k units week one and we can see a boost of 70k at most in the corresponding week of PSP sales.  The PSP-2000 was released there the very next week which screws things up somewhat but I think we can agree that the vast majority of people buying a console for a game will do it in the first week.  Anyway, so for every SEVEN people who bought the game, only ONE person bought the console in order to be able to play it.  Even if FFXIII sells consoles at TWICE the ratio, there aren't going to even be 4.5 million PS3s in Japan by the time it comes out -- and not every single PS3 owner is going to buy it.  Not even in Japan.



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S.T.A.G.E. said:

The PS3 would have to sell over 20 M to make 40 M by the end of this year. The 360 definitely will be over 40 M by the end of this year. Perhaps the 360 will have 43-46 M, while the PS3 ends the year at around 34-36 M. If the 360 outpaces the PS3 again this year it will stretch the gap to 10 M. The Wii would've doubled both by reaching 86 M consoles sold and in 2010 reaching 100 M by 2nd quarter.

 

So you expect both PS3 and 360 to sell at a higher yearly rate than they ever did? Especially the 360 in its 4th year? Very unlikely. PS3 selling 20 million a year is also very unlikely. December was down from the year before.

 

 As the price drops, the mass market will get their hands on the system. The 360 is jumping over peaks yearly and so will the PS3. I didn't say the PS3 will sell over 20 M. I stated that the PS3 would have to sell over 20 M to make 40 M by the end of the year ( I don't think they will though because I believe the PS3 will reach 40 M by 2010). The 360 will definitely be over 40 M by the end of this year. The 360 exceeded my prediction for the year of 2008 by 2 M. I stated that it would sell 25 M (When I made this prediction I made it knowing I would get flamed by PS3 fanboys). I stated that the PS3 would make 18 M and it exceeded it by a little over 1 million. I wasn't far off. Being that eventually in 2009 the PS3 will see a price cut, there will be a huge rise in sales. Because of the economy the west will respond with percentage increases from 2008 on both systems.



i don't think so Wii is dominating XB360 and Ps3



BTFeather55 said:
jkimball said:
Sephiroth357 said:

What do you guys think?

 

 

 

 Make it a poll. I vote 'no way in hell'.  Lucky to hit 30M.

2009  5M

2010 4M

2011 2M

2012 Thud.

 

That's IF they don't pull the plug this spring which is still quite likely....

 

      I don't know how it is going to be selling in such low numbers with such huge exclusives as God of War III, Hideo Kojima's Policenauts 2, Dare I say it Shenmue 3, Metal Gear 5, Trico, Final Fantasy XIII exclusive to Japan and the blu-ray version being by far the best one in the rest of the world, FF Versus XIII, and still possibly FFVII Blu-Ray and Kingdom Hearts III, a number of new games from Naughty Dog including new Jak and Daxter:  The Lost Territory and Uncharted 2 and 3 , Insomniac with Resistance 3 and probably two more Ratchet games, and Sucker Punch InFamous I-III and new Sly Cooper, Heavy Rain being the rebirth of cinematic gaming, and Gran Turismo 5 all on the way.

Listing upcoming releases as a reason why it will sell lots of consoles is not a good argument.  Last year it was, "Yeah, but MGS4, Resistance 2, LBP, etc. etc. are all coming out in 2008!!  How could it not catch up this year?!"

And it didn't.  Those titles didn't push consoles.  So now the Sony defense force is just pushing the "catch up" date ahead another year and listing more upcoming titles.  Just like last year and the year before.

I also love the arguments that the PS3 is actually outselling the Xbox 360 right now.  World wide, the 360 is destroying the PS3 every month lately.  The VGChartz sales gap between the two is widening rapidly again.  Somebody even mentioned that the PS3 was going to make "another comeback" in 2009.  When was the first comeback again?  The PS3 has been solidly in third place for the entire generation with no really strong trend showing that this will ever NOT be the case.  Not even massive title launches have been able to budge it. 

Anyone happen to see that Nielsen story the other day?  The PS2, original Xbox, and Xbox 360 are all being played more than the PS3.  The Xbox 360 is actually being played more than the Wii.  Apparently Nielsen tracks console use as well as TV viewing.  My verdict--the PS3 has been largely viewed as a BluRay player this generation and not so much a gaming machine.

 




burch0079 said:

i don't think so Wii is dominating XB360 and Ps3

 

      Yeah, but what is happening in the present has very little bearing upon the future.  What if Sony announced tomorrow that they were bringing out PS Sports and it was going to use the space available on the blu-ray to have 100 more times the number of Sports games that you can play in Wii Sports and they were going to use the graphics capabilities of the PS3 to have lifelike models of some of the most famous fitness and sports figures teach you how to do things and that the characters would be much better looking and that they were bringing out their own even more refined motion control remote to go with it?  That it was going to be the Gran Turismo of motion control sports titles?  It might blow Wii Sports out of the water?  Or what if like Coleco did to the Atari 2600, they came out with a device that let you play Wii games on the PS3? 



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