If you don't know, just say it. 

Seriously? Good to know, tho I don't remember those days that much... specially the NES days. 

 Like you just did.

 Not particularly. See, my response was to the topic's incredible ignorance. What I'm talking about is something like this...

Pete: "Hey John, look, I've saved up enough money for a PS3"-

JohnL "LOLZORZ PS3 IS GAUYZ GET TEH XBOX 360!!!!"

That's the kind of thing I'm talking about. And it disgusts me that a 14 year old who plays Gears of War 5 hours a day thinks he can tell me what to buy.

Sorry, just venting from personal experiences. Snobby East Coast kids. 

I know I added to this fire by starting the Nintendo and the Hardcore thread, but now I really wish everyone would stop saying what is hardcore and what is casual.

You can be a hardcore gamer because of how much you play(me), how long you played(me), how much you spent (me, oi vei!), being a fanboy, having discriminating tastes... and really are we any better for it?

Just play and enjoy. I really like the line-ups this year from all first-parties this year. (Next year I am a little worried)

Nice job including small downloadable games in  there. The downloadable games are supposed to normally be casual by default.

Also since when is Ratchet and Clank casual? Also, do you have any idea what Jumping Flash is even?

Even better, Eye of Judgment is casual???? Pursuit Force is casual? Parappa the Rapper is casual???

what does that has ANYTHING to do with this topic???

Wii Sports is totally hardcore!!!

pong ftw

I am going to give up on any forum thread not to do with sales soon, it's getting to be too much.

 bears repeating... people are confusing "casual" audience with "new audience".  members of the casual audience, by and large, are those who don't spend a large amount of time on video games. members of the new audience, by and large, are intrigued by new genres of video games that puts more focus on social, educational and productive aspects.

 because of the constant confusion of the term "casual", which has never been satisfactorily defined by ANYTHING, nobody ever agrees on what "casual" is.  no, i don't think games for kids are "casual" game, and i particularly object to the pokemon games being a "casual" game.

 good names are central to understanding ideas.  unless one has in mind a consistent picture already, using the vague term "casual" will serve only to confuse.  i'm heavily advocating "new audience" as the replacement term.

 NEW AUDIENCE.  unless somebody comes up with a better term.  

here's how the term "casual" is confusing: it means different things when used to describe an audience and when used to describe games.

casual gamers, are mostly associated with non-hardcore and non-core gamers (pretty much exactly the complement of those).  which, is understood as the group who played video games from the past 2 decades.

casual games, however, are associated with titles like:

- DDR, singstar, guitar hero (some disputes this), etc
- brain age, face training, my word coach, etc
- cooking mama, fishing master, etc
- wii sports, wii fit, brunswick bowling, etc.

there is some correlation with "casual audience" playing "casual games" (both terms as loosely defined above), but the correlation is not anywhere close to 1. maybe 0.3.

and that is essentially how this whole "casual" vs "hardcore" arguments arise, and how miyamoto himself talks about making galaxy appeal to the "casual crowd" or reggie highlighted "picross" as a casual game at the nintendo E3. in their minds they know to differentiate the terms, but obviously, they're not gonna be 100% clear on what is "casual" every time they talk about it.