Okay, I know it is pointless, because even if everybody said that they don't know anyone who did this you would still believe the other way, because you just like it, but I will try to bring up one arguement that just proofes you wrong.

So let's say a significant number of sales are redundant. Let's say 20%, because it is easy to calculate with. That would be 20million unique Xbox360-users. The Xbox360 is still a software-selling-machine. Imagine the "real" attach ratio. The ratio right now is 8.1! So with a smaller userbase but the same amount of software sold, the attach ratio would increase even higher. That would be close to 10.0. So every Xbox360 users would have bought 10 games, which is definately not the case. There you can see, there can't be a significant number of redundant Xbox360 sales.

Same for Xbox Live. There are more than 14 million UNIQUE Users on live (probably 15 million after Xmas when the kids have the console under the Xmas-tree and actually start using it.). That would be like 5 million Xbox360s without Xbox Live. 75% of the consoles would be on Xbox Live. That is just not the case.

There you go, the number of people owning multiple Xbox360s is not that big, probably as big as the multiple PS3 users (One for gaming, one for BluRay).

This is the kind of level-headed response I was looking for.

I don't know how many PS2s I bought...a couple dreamcasts too, and two PS1s.

If you look at the number of games sold for 360 I really doubt that they have a higher number of second buyers than the other consoles.

 I wouldn't have a problem with it, were it not for the fact you are singleing out the Xbox 360. Why would this "phenonemon" not affect the PS3 and the Wii also?

After all the Xbox 360 might have a far higher failiure rate lets say 13% I believe that is the reality and the PS3 is quoted from head of Sony Europe as saying 3-4%. But I'm quite sure 99% of people are aware of the 3 year warranty. I would have thought this would have more than cancelled out what your saying.

I may have been hasty in calling you a troll but it did look a little fishy.

After all this is completely based on anecdotal evidence, I'm sure it is true but like I and someone else has said its going to be less than 1% in reality.

You can extrapolate information from a situation...then extrapolate information from that extrapolated information and so on...Where does it stop?

Could we extrapolate from this that Xbox 360 owners are "more impatient on average", "more stupid"?

Are you going to create a thread on that too?

Aside from your first paragraph (and its tone), another good post.  I'm looking for the truth and I'm looking for people to agree that people who spend money to replace something that can be done for free are idiots.

If you want a number that could indicate that, then the research would have to be done on your own.

Try to find out how many (in percentage) Xbox360's fail, then find out which model fails the most then find out the prices for each model and any updates to each sku that could decrease some of the failure rates over the last 3 years. Then get the difference from the total units sold.

After that you just need to add back based on how many of those failed users actually bought another and also how many of them have bought multiple 360's from retail. This is all from retail... of course using the numbers here helps eliminate worrying about retail numbers sold to consumers.

If I remember correctly some people were tossing around a 35% fail rate on the Falcon. I'm not sure of the source though.

Oh in that case, I completely agree with you.

I just don't see that creating a thread like this will actually get you anywhere in terms of finding out the true facts of the matter. Or even any genuine information at all. It serves no purpose.

There are some very stupid people around, I have a friend who bought a new Xbox 360 when he got banned from Xbox Live for modding his console. He's got more money than sense though and is far from "the norm".

I mean this discussion could be taken in so many directions, there's just no way to analyse what your after in any non-biased fashion. I'm sure there are many million PS3's sitting around just being used as Blu-Ray players, but that doesn't mean we can deduct them from the sales and class them as redundant.

Some stones are best left unturned, when you haven't got enough "knowns" to find the "unknowns" your not going to get anywhere.

The point is ...

Let's say I'm a "widget" salesman. I want you to pay me $200 for my "widget". As an alternative, somebody walks up to you and says, "If you can wait a week or 2, I'll give you the same thing for free." You've got to be really impatient, really addicted or have more money than you know what to do with to not take up the 2nd guy on his offer.

Forget about failure rates or what console we're talking about.