It's hard to fully determine what kind of progress will be made on the PS3 in the coming years regarding game engines at this point (it depends on talent and effort), anyway the RSX beats the Xenos in terms of shader ops per second and the far more flexible Cell is able to perform here as well. There are endless oppertunities for optimisation regarding the Cell. More of an issue may well be to have all the assets delivered in line with the effects and such, using more procedural approaches may help in this regard.

30 FPS may well be enough though for many games, that's movie like fluent in terms of animation. For fast paced games there's also the possibility to implement motion blur like is done for movies.

No, it has nothing to do with framerate. It's just upscaling (resizing) the image from 1280x1080 to 1920x1080.

Consider it more an unlikely circumstance than a definite circumstance.  I'm not saying it can't happen, just that it's unlikely and certainly won't be any kind of standard.

Procedural rendering on that scale is not valid on PS3.  I recall a scene the PS3 rendered with procedural textures but it ran in seconds per frames not frames per second.

1. No it doesn't

 2. It's been out 2 years, devs have had access to it for 3 or more years. If it happens then you can talk like that and carry weight.

3. NO

4. Please stop your embarrasing yourself.

Frame rate of film is 23.98 frames per second, yes this is fluid enough for films. In fact if it was more fluid than 30-35 fps it would look unrealistic...Like soaps on UK tv they are de-interlaced in 60 frames per second to look like live action. A film at 60 frames per second would look ridiculous and unrealistic, like when you watch a "making of"...

My point?

I don't have one...Just like you! Animation in fact is normally closer to 15 frames per second in terms of how many actual frames are "drawn" not the output signal...

Different applications need a different frame rate, and 60 frames per second for gaming is way more preferable than 30 frames per second, you "watch" a film.

You REACT to a game, and smooth motion is essential and makes for a much more pleasent experience.

Are you trying to say that 30 frames per second is sufficient? If you are then why are you in this thread. Create a new one yourself, this thread is to find out how many games are rendered at a NATIVE 1080p\60fps.

Of which so far we have...

Virtua Tennis 3

NBA09

and one other...can't remember.

Film can be at a lower framerate because photography naturally blurs which gives the impression of fluid motion and there are tricks used in animation (hand drawn and pre-rendered) to perform a similar action.

Real-time computer images are far too clear which results in it looking very jerky at low framerates ... There are some games that do use a simulated motion blur, but this does take processing power and is (usually) one of the first things to go when a game has performance issues.

ooo....now i see....but can a game with low resolution like haze upscale to a 1920x1080 ????

You can upscale anything to 1080p.

The Xbox 360 upscales all games (even Xbox ones) to 480p, 576i, 720p, 1080i or 1080p depending on which one it's set up to output. It does this in the hardware/operating system so it works for all the games.

I don't own a PS3, but from what I heard, many (all?) PS3 games can upscale to those resolutions too.

ok, I know it has been corrected and you noted th correction already but the misinformed posts still continue.  dumbed down facts:

-1080p means 1080 lines of vertical resolution and p stands for progressive.  1280x1080(p) and 1920x1080(p) are in fact both 1080p

-1920x1080(p) is implied with a widescreed aspect ratio

So yes it does run 60fps @1080p, but the question is: what is TrueHD/FullHD? Is there even such a thing?  How can we tell?  the questions can go on forever.  The best guideline I can give in a dumbdowned fashion is:  there will never be a TrueHD/FullHD game on a console.  It would frankly take too much effort and use up way too many of the GPU's resources.  The only non-downloadable game that is currently going to come close to TrueHD/FullHD is GT5 and frankly it is still a ways off.  Good thing is  99% of people won't even notice the difference.

bottomline: enjoy your games, your eyes more than likely can't tell any difference.  this concludes my dumbed-down approach to this.  Thanks to those of you who know what your talking about.  There are a few of us who appreciate your knowledge (thanks frosty to name one).

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