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bdbdbd said:

As we all know, he sales numbers tell their story - motion controls is the future in gaming. It's also expected, that Sony and M$ are going to copy and improve the motion controls the Wii has. But, since Nintendo is making a sustaining change, upgrading the Wii Remote with Wii Motion Plus, it's killing the future copycats' possible edge over Nintendo already.

 

Will WM+ effect next gen or not?

 

It is expected that Microsoft and Sony will try to copy Nintendo on this generation already? They could try, but it will not  be a succes. Why?  Simply because it's too late.  PS3 and xbox360 have usual controllers as standards  and nothing can change that.   If they release  a motion controller, it will only be a gadget , because almost nobody will have  it. Therefore, the games will not  be built around that, because the numbers of motion controller would be too low.


That's why Sony and Microsoft can copy Nintendo on this generation, it could only validate the Nintendo's approach and do nothing against the Wii.



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Lucas-Rio said:
bdbdbd said:

As we all know, he sales numbers tell their story - motion controls is the future in gaming. It's also expected, that Sony and M$ are going to copy and improve the motion controls the Wii has. But, since Nintendo is making a sustaining change, upgrading the Wii Remote with Wii Motion Plus, it's killing the future copycats' possible edge over Nintendo already.

 

Will WM+ effect next gen or not?

 

It is expected that Microsoft and Sony will try to copy Nintendo on this generation already? They could try, but it will not  be a succes. Why?  Simply because it's too late.  PS3 and xbox360 have usual controllers as standards  and nothing can change that.   If they release  a motion controller, it will only be a gadget , because almost nobody will have  it. Therefore, the games will not  be built around that, because the numbers of motion controller would be too low.


That's why Sony and Microsoft can copy Nintendo on this generation, it could only validate the Nintendo's approach and do nothing against the Wii.

He specifically said "next gen". I know it's being wrongly used to mean this generation but some people do use it correctly to convey the future lineup of consoles.

 



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@Generic Username: Sonys PR is really showing how to say one thing and do the other. PS3 had Sixaxis right from launch, Singstar is very important franchise for them, Sony is advertizing Buzz for PS3 quite a lot at the moment, LBP ads try to appeal families etc. Basically all Sony is advertizing at the moment is the family friendly, non-traditional games and gameplay.
What the focus on the demographic you mentioned would mean, is to completely change the direction of the Playstation brand.



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I dont think Sony and MS are too worried right now they still have good sales and make a loss on every machine sold so they hardly want to sell more anyway.
PS3 has built in motion sensing already - if Sony actually used the motion sensing more i would not have to buy a Wii next year !.
I think the real wake up for PS360 HD consoles will come once nintendo firmly take a lead of over 50% of installed consoles sometime next year - there is nothing MS-Sony can do to stop this happening now.
Software vendors are now realising that to ignore the Wii is to loose a huge market.
Once Nintendo are over 50% more vendors will shift primary game development to the Wii based on it's huge user base and treat the old HD consoles releases as a secondary priority.
Wii is set to have an install base of around 100million units by 2010, and the software vendors just now are realising that fact the PS360 consoles are going to come out second best.

I should also point out that nintendo has a draw card that neither MS or Sony can ever match - Nintendo can bring out a True HD Wii console by 2010 which will make the PS360 look like relics of the past - i expect a quad core 4Ghz Power PC, 2 gigabyte memory and 8*BD drive & most importantly 100% backward compatability and a WiiMote V2.
MS-Sony can hardly counter Nintendo by terminating their existing consoles which are struggling to make a profit they will write off the PS360 as a huge loss (like MS did with the old Xbox) Nintendo own;s this gen and will dominate the next generation of consoles too.



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I don't have a Wii. I know you guys say motion controls are the best thing since buttered toast but the only Wii games I've played -- Super Monkey Ball and Wii Sports, you have to stand up to play if you want to be able to control the action on the screen precisely. So, do you have to stand up for the full duration of the game to control games like Zelda Twilight Princess or Mario Galaxy very precisely? If so, I really don't think I would enjoy trying to play and finish these 20 to 40 hour games using Wii controls.



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Paul_Warren said:
I don't have a Wii. I know you guys say motion controls are the best thing since buttered toast but the only Wii games I've played -- Super Monkey Ball and Wii Sports, you have to stand up to play if you want to be able to control the action on the screen precisely. So, do you have to stand up for the full duration of the game to control games like Zelda Twilight Princess or Mario Galaxy very precisely? If so, I really don't think I would enjoy trying to play and finish these 20 to 40 hour games using Wii controls.

Not at all. Standing up is more beneficial for stuff like Wii Sports. Most games can be completely finished sitting down.

 



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stephen700 said:
I dont think Sony and MS are too worried right now they still have good sales and make a loss on every machine sold so they hardly want to sell more anyway.
PS3 has built in motion sensing already - if Sony actually used the motion sensing more i would not have to buy a Wii next year !.
I think the real wake up for PS360 HD consoles will come once nintendo firmly take a lead of over 50% of installed consoles sometime next year - there is nothing MS-Sony can do to stop this happening now.
Software vendors are now realising that to ignore the Wii is to loose a huge market.
Once Nintendo are over 50% more vendors will shift primary game development to the Wii based on it's huge user base and treat the old HD consoles releases as a secondary priority.
Wii is set to have an install base of around 100million units by 2010, and the software vendors just now are realising that fact the PS360 consoles are going to come out second best.

I should also point out that nintendo has a draw card that neither MS or Sony can ever match - Nintendo can bring out a True HD Wii console by 2010 which will make the PS360 look like relics of the past - i expect a quad core 4Ghz Power PC, 2 gigabyte memory and 8*BD drive & most importantly 100% backward compatability and a WiiMote V2.
MS-Sony can hardly counter Nintendo by terminating their existing consoles which are struggling to make a profit they will write off the PS360 as a huge loss (like MS did with the old Xbox) Nintendo own;s this gen and will dominate the next generation of consoles too.

 

2010 is way too early. Christmas 2012 for N6 would be more plausible and i don't think any of the next gen consoles will be pushing the specs. Sure they will be powerful in comparision to the current gen consoles, but they aren't state-of-the-art in the same fashion that 360 and PS3 were at the time of their launch. Number one objective will propably be hardware with affordable costs.



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Nintendo games sell only on Nintendo system.

No, the assumption that because a company won the previous generation that they will definately win the following is false. When a company is winning they look like geniuses, when they are losing they look like idiots. So really we won't know which parts of Nintendos strategy really work until they get put under some pressure.



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vdoesntforgive said:
Onyxmeth said:

Are you implying that Wii-Motion + is more advanced than whatever motion thingers the competition are making and thus have killed any possible advantage they may have, or are you saying that the competition simply can't do any better than WM+ because it's as good as motion controls can get?

Also, for someone so well versed on the expansion strategy Nintendo is using to attract new gamers, this argument seems very ignorant on your part and below what I would expect you to say. It should be obvious to you that Sony and MS could mimic and better the motion functions and still not hit the expanded audience at all without other factors present. None of which either company has shown they possess.

I think the problem with Microsoft and Sony now is, the methods the wiimote utilizes has now become the "standard" for how motion controlls should be done. How do MS and Sony go forward without stepping on Nintendo's toes (and their lawyers)? There's definately room for improvement, but I feel either of those two companies are at a risk of putting themselves in a corner they won't be able to get out of, if they too far forward with their "mii too" strategy.

I don't think the lawyers will come into it, Nintendo licensed the motion technology from a 3rd party (although I believe they also have invested in the company) and have said that MS or Sony are free to license the same technology if they want.

Anyway, I guess we need to use M+ before we can see if it can be improved or not. While it will give 1:1 motion, I would be surprised if it was completely accurate with really fast movements. I'm sure there will always be room to improve.

Either way, it certainly will hinder and attempt by Sony & MS to offer improved motion control, as just like BluRay, it may offer some improvement, but not enough to be a true advantage in the market.

 



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Squilliam said:
No, the assumption that because a company won the previous generation that they will definately win the following is false. When a company is winning they look like geniuses, when they are losing they look like idiots. So really we won't know which parts of Nintendos strategy really work until they get put under some pressure.

 

The assumption is correct when nothing changes in the industry. Sony managed to have a runaway success with PSX when the industry experienced change from 2D to 3D, Nintendo caught the world by storm when the videogames market crashed and Nintendo is winning again for driving a change in the industry by disrupting it. Between the early Ataris, NES and SNES, PSX and PS2 nothing changed, so the previous leader and the brand holder came up with "automatic" victory.

The current problem M$ and Sony are facing is, that the "traditional" way of playing games isn't a key to victory, so they can't have consoles next gen that rely on the same control methods as 360 and PS3 and they can't just copy Wii Remote either, since that would lead Nintnedo to win again without doing anything, which leaves them two choises; either to make something different that haven't been done before or copy the Wii Remote and improve it. Now, copying the Wii Remote and improving it to support 1:1 controls would have been an easy way, but since Nintendo is releasing WM+, they need to think something else. And the same goes for Nintendo too, although they could release a console with improved WM+ controller and win next gen due to the brand name, if the competition is doing the same too.



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