Doesn't matter if it has the realism of Metal gear solid / Forza or the cartoon style of Super Smash Brothers Brawl / Mario Kart Wii as long as it's fun.

But without the fun a game is nothing.

llewdebkram said: Doesn't matter if it has the realism of Metal gear solid / Forza or the cartoon style of Super Smash Brothers Brawl / Mario Kart Wii as long as it's fun. But without the fun a game is nothing.

I agree, however art can enhance the overall experience. True, if the game plays like a pile of monkey poo there is no reasonto care about the art.  But  I can't imagine playing a cartoony RE or a gritty Mario. The art, and the music, are vital to the overall experience.

 

 

lol your last part got a little to complicated for me hehe but all I'm seeing in art work other then realism is a human desire to be creative with a subject matter, not a desire to fix up something considered boring. If reality were boring as you say, we would have no need for nature photographers or amazing HD cameras that pick up all the little details so our movies look glorious and amazing. The representation of the world in all its beauty is something alot of artists strive for. This doesnt make surrealism obselite though, and neither does surrealism make realism obselite.

If you wanted to look into surrealism even further, its style is to break down what is considered real, it destroys conventional thinking, it never tries to fix up reality, or ad to it but to fantisise it :) and fantasy is awesome! but if everything were fantasy then we would be kidding ourselves. And if everything were pure depections of reality to the core we would live in a very unimagenative world. The human imagenation is amazing and I think it should be used to its full potential, in art, in games, in movies etc.

BUT! when we put all human creation and representation of what we see aside and look at reality for what it is, the world in all its beauty and complexity, real life is by no means boring, and that is my argement. You can not use the human imagenation to say the real world is boring. The fact that human imagenation spawns from inspirations from the real world is a well known artist fact. Reality is far more inspired and creative then any form of human designed art work or creation.

I wonder if Ninty released a $900 graphical behemoth at the end of 2006 instead of the Wii we would still be seeing threads like this.

yes. i am not spending 900 on a system even if it shoots holograms into my eyes. That price tag is crazy.

Currently people who are less interested in photo-realistic graphics tend to own Wiis. There are always going to be people that place different values on different areas of game design. If there were not truth to both sides of the argument then we would not have both sides of the market.

I like Ratchet and Clank future: tools of destruction for similar reasons to why I like Galaxy. I personally enjoy cartoony platformers that let me escape.

Is there something wrong with not valuing realistic graphics for every game and genre?

okami still wins best graphics for me. style>>>>>substance for art, but okami had both.

valen200 said: yes. i am not spending 900 on a system even if it shoots holograms into my eyes. That price tag is crazy. Currently people who are less interested in photo-realistic graphics tend to own Wiis. There are always going to be people that place different values on different areas of game design. If there were not truth to both sides of the argument then we would not have both sides of the market. I like Ratchet and Clank future: tools of destruction for similar reasons to why I like Galaxy. I personally enjoy cartoony platformers that let me escape. Is there something wrong with not valuing realistic graphics for every game and genre?

Whoa, not even holograms? =/

Anyway this post is full of win. I also would not like a realistic Mario/Ratchet & Clank game.

 Hell, do you want a Mario game to look like this?

edit: damn, they cut my Mario pic! not fair!

I've been playing X-COM: Terror From the Deep all week. It's more hardcore than anything this generation. It's a DOS game and it's abandonware, so it's a free download, and you can play it with DOSBox on a PC or a Mac. It's better than just about anything that's come out since (1995), and the whole game is about 12 Megs, smaller than Tetris DS or Nintendogs or Geometry Wars.

Graphics are absolutely nothing to gaming.

Sigh This false argument doesn't get better by repeating it over and over and over and over and over again. ( and over)

If you want color try Uncharted or Crysis: As the most beautiful jungles ever put on a computer monitor. (Hint:GREEN)
Alternatively take Assassin's Creed for a really breathtaking display of ancient cities in brilliant daylight.
What about GTA4? A game that replicated New York with an amazing amount of small details. Simply beautiful esp. when you have been to New York a couple of times, to see the little changes, even if it is not the technical best game ever.
Resistance2 is colorful, Motorstorm uses a definitely not grey island as racing ground, GT5-P or Forza provide almost photorealistic cars ...

The everything is grey or brown argument is simply ignorant. Grey and dark is simply the matter of choice if you want to provide a scary atmosphere as in horror games. The colours of a rainbow would be a bit stupid for an Aliens game or movie.

Besides if you say that great graphics add nothing to a game then I cannot help you. Its simply nice to see something beautiful. Because of that people like to watch opulent movies instead of hearing podcasts. After all both media could propagate the same story.

The Ghost of RubangB said: I've been playing X-COM: Terror From the Deep all week. It's more hardcore than anything this generation. It's a DOS game and it's abandonware, so it's a free download, and you can play it with DOSBox on a PC or a Mac. It's better than just about anything that's come out since (1995), and the whole game is about 12 Megs, smaller than Tetris DS or Nintendogs or Geometry Wars. Graphics are absolutely nothing to gaming.

Having recently started playing MOO 2 again I can't really argue.