buddy am not here to get grammer check and apparently u took too much grammer enough so that rather than reading my comments u decided to say how badlly written it was WAAAOOOOO ur smart anywayzz BACK TO THE POINT............out of the list of  5games you listed 2 are mutilplatform<i listed all exclusives> and one Splinter cell is dated for this year other than that ur right fabel and halo wars...........hmmmmm but i dont think they are killer app........again u might diagree thass fine but i dont think that new gammers who are gonna decide what system they want will be based on those 2 games...........but whatever and my point was that there isnt alot of future games that we know of for 360 ......leading to the point that it does not have a chance against the future ps3 line up and so it will be passed by ps3 by the end of 08...............just so u know for the record i am a 360 owner and ps3 so freankly i dont care what happens but these are the fact.....and i think u partially even agree that there arent any revealed...........well my friend big company use that tactic when they reallly dont know what future hold............anywazz enough said...............i come in peace i go in peace lol..............later "smarter guy"

DS lite was released in June 2006 right around the time sales started really picking up in America. A hardware revision that fixed pretty much every problem people had with the original boosted sales? Dang, an outside factor that had nothing to do with my point ruins it? Besides, one of the most popular opinions is how handheld trends =/= home console trends. Before the PSP was released all the fanboys were cheering how Sony was going to wipe the floor with Nintendo to the point of them leaving the hardware business completely considering the PS/2 dominance. Otherwise I could point out how much a hardware revision that fixes previous problems will boost the 360 considering what it did for the DS (and the PS3 80gb is not at all in the same vain).
And I'm confused on that third paragraph. Sony is the company that refuses to see the Wii as its competitor of the PS3. Gates had actually acknowledged Nintendo as their toughest competitor back in January.

LOL LOL LOL.... do people realize what they are saying when they say PS3 can catch up in 2008....????????? a effing 5th grader could do the math and prove it's not possible..... it's not happening except if a hurican destroys all WII and XB factory in the world and the only one left is sony.....
and about killer apps on PS3 next year I agree with MGS 4, GT, and FF (is it coming 2008 or 2009???) but that's it... I don't see any games on MS (RIGHT NOW) matching the fame of those one... but I see more than a 12 able to score 80%+ and contened with those title as a whole... you have alan wake, too huma, halo project, halo war, SPCC, fable 2, GOW2, dead rising 2, condemned 2, maybe a lost planet 2, DOA 5, ninja gaiden 2, other unknown project and title I'm not thinking about (and stop saying they are multi PC/360 I don't call that multi, it's still not on PS3)

So yes I'm saying it right here, right now the gap between PS3 Christmas line up and 360 in term of appeal to the public (not arguing the quality) is bigger in favor of the 360 than the gap you have RIGHT NOW in favore of the PS3 for the 2008 line up...

and why right now in caps is because you have to put that in your head that MS has more cards up their sleeves about 2008 line up than sony has left..... and no they didn't chose to not communicate because they have nothing... well at the end believe what you want..... me I always try to analyze it with the most factual elements... and the facts are not in favor of PS3 right now.... and certainly not uberly in favor to them in 2008 and probably will be less and less with 2008 getting closer....

so if PS come back on MS it won't be before mid or end 2010 and if they do it's because they did really well this christmas.... and have a really perfect over the top 2008, 2009 year..... and I don't see any of that happening especially not combine..... it's not with 3++ game even best of the world (yet to prove I don't have any interest in those 3 games and I do like jrpg and racing games) that you can close a gap like that with also cool games (even if they don't match them) on the other side and in quantity by then....

so yeah 2010 if it ever happens..... to give you a taste of my conviction, I think 360 has more chance of being 1st in 2010 than PS3 being second..... and i'm sure 360 won't be 1st so imagine how sure I am that PS3 won't be second at the end of 2008

Heh you forgot cry on, and infinite discovery. I think ps3 has a more promising 2008 year (if ff comes out) so far, but i really really dont think they will catch up in 2008, 2009 earliest possible.

I think you went a little tough on ps3 but hey you could be right, anyone could be right, no one can predict the future

 This argument gets me so steamed I'll even ignore the lack of basic grammar. (even though it is better than most on here)

Earlier, you made a post making fun of someone for using 'what-ifs' and herer you are talking about a $400 PS3. Please, someone...does the concept of selling a console at a huge loss not register with a lot of the Sony fans here?

The OMGzorz!!!!!!!! Lair, Killzone 2, FFXXX will be the bestest game in the friggin' world! Argument is only good to those who are reaching desperately for an answer to why their precious console is in 3rd place behind a "fad" and a melting ring of death.

You know what Resistance is getting outsold by? Mario Party 8. LMAO! Your best game is getting outsold by a kiddie game on the Wii. That, and Resistance has been out for 20 weeks longer than MP8.

Don't get me wrong, it's been less than a year for Sony and less than two for the entire generation, there's still some room to maneuver. The way things are now will not be the way they'll always be.

I guess my main point is this, if you love Sony/Nintendo/Microsoft, fine, just don't be so blindly a follower that it distorts your view of reality. 

yeah PS3 has strongest stand alone titles but on the other hand 360 has a pretty huge B+ line up to balance (i'm simplifying, it's basically on one side you have 3 really good heavy weights and on the other a large number of good light weights)....

well I'm tough on PS 3 because the market is tough on them right now.... and no you can't predict the future for sure but you can do an accurate/precise estimation by statistical analyzis and anticipation of market behavior... they do that everyday on TV with the meteo and the NYSE.... and I do that for my job... I'm not saying my guess is right because VG is not my main field of expertise and i'm not documented enough to be with a level of accuracy higher than 65% (which is not that bad, considering that the web is almost my only source of info, which is a really poor resource of FREE information for that kind of job)... but I wanted to say that with the right survey and studies in hand plus the right detailed figures (VGchartz X 100 in term of detail of the market WW) and the right knowledge of the market (yeah don't ask meteorologist to do the analysis lol)you can get at about 80% to 90% level of accuracy for 2008/2009 results.... so you can say that the future is somehow predictable with the right thing in hand and in head lol :)

Hahaha i compeletely agree =)

I like your multiple lightweights vs a few heavy weights statement it sounds right =)

and yes it can be accurate, if and only if you have the right info

well it seems like the hardcore GTA fans would pick up the 360 version.. but you gotta ask how many of those 14 million are hardcore??? most people just wanna pick up the game kill some people for a couple hours and thats it.. the casual fan might decide to get the ps3 version just because the ps3's library is broader than the 360's.. you have to remember we are talking about next year so many good titles will have already been released on the ps3... on top of the ones i mentioned earlier..

People keep saying that it can't possibly happen ever. They throw out sales numbers that show 600k per month needed,etc. But, many of you seem to have forgotten what just happened with the Wii.

The Wii was also about 5.3m behind the 360 at launch. Now, 9 months later, the Wii is about to pass 360 in total sales. The PS3 is now about 6.2m units behind, given the right combination of demand, it can pass the 360, just like the Wii did. That is why I am saying 65% chance. It will require the games and price to hit the sweet spot for the millions of gamers out there who still have not purchased any nex-gen machine.

The question is can it? Can the PS3 get to the $250 price area at the same time as its probably 2008 killer aps launch? I don't think so. Which is why I lean towards 360 maintaining its lead over PS3. But, I guess we will eventually know.

Is anyone actually saying it's literally impossible? I think most are jsut saying it's improbable. That's what I'm saying, at least, and that's different.

Another question: does anyone here believe the PS3 will ever surpass the 360 in the US? If the odds of the PS3 surpassing the 360 are 50/50 worldwide (That's my opinion, at least), then I think the odds of a US eclipse are around 15/85 against.