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Bodhesatva on 10 December 2008
RolStoppable said:
The announcement of Dragon Quest X means more than just a high profile game for the Wii. Most third parties are followers and the decision from Square-Enix to put the most important third party game for the Japanese market on the Wii should be a clear sign to them (if they didn't already get it) that Nintendo's console is the one to put their best games on .

 

 In Japan. That's important to remember: the big games on the Wii thus far are huge... in Japan. I absolutely agree that this should have a noticable impact on the AA developers who are making games for the Japanese audience (the Tales games, the other smaller RPG makers, etc), but DQ likely has less impact on companies like Valve and Epic than The Conduit does. Which is to say, "almost none."

The Wii already had casual titles locked up. The Wii also had hardcore Nintendo titles locked up, by default. I would say it likely now has hardcore Japanese third party titles locked up.

But it does not have hardcore, blockbuster, western third party games locked up. As I said in my last post, that seems like an absurdly narrow claim, but it also just so happens that this is a forum of hardcore gamers in the west, so one could claim it's a pretty big deal. There's no question that the Wii continues to make inroads, slowly but surely, in to the gaming market as its user base continues to expand, but if you're a fan of third party games like Half Life or GTA or Gears of War -- and the knock off games they inspire, just as Dragon Quest inspires its Japanese knock offs -- then the Wii is still struggling.



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GhaudePhaede010 on 10 December 2008

I love this announcement. I almost cried with joy. My importing money is READY!



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BTFeather55 on 10 December 2008

"what were the biggest Western games on the PS2? I'm not being a smart-ass, the question just occurred to me.

Well, Western games that weren't GTA. That's a given."

Tony Hawk, God of War, anything by Naughty Dog, Insomniac, and Sucker Punch.



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kirby007 on 10 December 2008

meh I don't know what trolling is anymore...



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Bodhesatva on 10 December 2008
Khuutra said:
Bodhesatva said:

Put aside the flames that already rising, folks. Legend is correct that this shift we're seeing is almost entirely a Japanese phenomenon. There are 2 big, legacy AAA third party games on the Wii now -- MH3 and DQX -- and both are very Japanese oriented, and the Wii continues to struggle with legacy AAA western third party games.

DQX is the final straw where I can say, "the Wii has Japanese third party support locked up." You can also point out that the Wii continues to make progress: first, before the generation began, the system wasn't going to sell. Then, the system was selling, but games weren't. Then, games were selling, but only first party games. Then third party games were selling, but only casual games. Now, we're at a point where the Wii hardware is selling, first party games are selling, third party casual software is selling, and Japanese third party hardcore titles look to be on the upward slope, but Western third party hardcore titles still aren't there.

It sounds absurd when you put it that way, doesn't it? The complaints have been reduced to "The Wii isn't selling blockbuster, third party, hardcore, Western software!" Look at how many modifiers I have to put on that -- the goal posts keep getting narrower as the Wii continues to sell. However, it just so happens that this forum we are talking on right now is 1) Hardcore and 2) Western, so the fact hardcore western games are the only group still not on the Wii is actually a pretty big deal to this specific group of people. For someone like Legend, I know it's a big deal, because he clearly favors games that fall in to that category.

Bod, what were the biggest Western games on the PS2? I'm not being a smart-ass, the question just occurred to me.

Well, Western games that weren't GTA. That's a given.

 

 

On the PS2? Very few. If you include Xbox, you add Halo and Knights of the Old Republic.

Western, hardcore games have only become popular with hardcore console players recently. They were already popular, but they hadn't caught on with console players yet.



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Sqrl on 10 December 2008
Bodhesatva said:

Put aside the flames that already rising, folks. Legend is correct that this shift we're seeing is almost entirely a Japanese phenomenon. There are 2 big, legacy AAA third party games on the Wii now -- MH3 and DQX -- and both are very Japanese oriented, and the Wii continues to struggle with legacy AAA western third party games.

DQX is the final straw where I can say, "the Wii has Japanese third party support locked up." You can also point out that the Wii continues to make progress: first, before the generation began, the system wasn't going to sell. Then, the system was selling, but games weren't. Then, games were selling, but only first party games. Then third party games were selling, but only casual games. Now, we're at a point where the Wii hardware is selling, first party games are selling, third party casual software is selling, and Japanese third party hardcore titles look to be on the upward slope, but Western third party hardcore titles still aren't there.

It sounds absurd when you put it that way, doesn't it? The complaints have been reduced to "The Wii isn't selling blockbuster, third party, hardcore, Western software!" Look at how many modifiers I have to put on that -- the goal posts keep getting narrower as the Wii continues to sell. However, it just so happens that this forum we are talking on right now is 1) Hardcore and 2) Western, so the fact hardcore western games are the only group still not on the Wii is actually a pretty big deal to this specific group of people. For someone like Legend, I know it's a big deal, because he clearly favors games that fall in to that category.

 

I'm not disagreeing with his point that this is Japanese support. 

I disagree with the attitude he employs in making his point.
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konnichiwa on 10 December 2008

I can't follow simple directions spelled out 2 minutes after I've been given them.






Xen on 10 December 2008
Legend11 said:
Breaking News! A third party game in which the vast majority of its sales comes from Japan is going to the Wii. Third party domination is here folks! All kidding aside how many major games are there that have 80%+ of their sales in Japan? The list is quite short I assure you.

Feel free to celebrate now but please don't start bitching when the next 5 big games are announced for HD consoles.

Someone hasn't had enough with his "Sony should quit the market thread"

This one: http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=52125&page=1

So he decided to troll some more...

I'm a PS fan and I'm happy this goes to the Wii. Thi is just the platform to house it! plus, the flood of JRPG's that'll come after it is unstoppable!

 

 



BTFeather55 on 10 December 2008

"But even if the PS3 is put out to pasture, this still doesn't indicate anything about what Western developers intend to do. And I predict without Sony Western developers would just shift to 360 exclusives for the types of games that are on both the PS3 and 360 now and they would continue to support the Wii in the fashion that they have been so far this gen."

Without the PS3, you would have seen GTA IV sell over 10 million copies exclusively on the 360. And if Sony was to up and leave the market, you would see Microsoft buy the rights to some of the biggest Western Sony games to make them 360 exclusives. God of War would be coming to the 360. The Resistance series would be as well and Killzone 2 and Uncharted. Probably the new games from Insomniac and Naughty Dog to join the likes of Epic and Bungie as well. Sucker Punch might go back to Nintendo if InFamous isn't as good as games that Microsoft already has that are similar like The Crackdown.



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Bodhesatva on 10 December 2008
RolStoppable said:
Bodhesatva said:

Put aside the flames that already rising, folks. Legend is correct that this shift we're seeing is almost entirely a Japanese phenomenon. There are 2 big, legacy AAA third party games on the Wii now -- MH3 and DQX -- and both are very Japanese oriented, and the Wii continues to struggle with legacy AAA western third party games.

DQX is the final straw where I can say, "the Wii has Japanese third party support locked up." You can also point out that the Wii continues to make progress: first, before the generation began, the system wasn't going to sell. Then, the system was selling, but games weren't. Then, games were selling, but only first party games. Then third party games were selling, but only casual games. Now, we're at a point where the Wii hardware is selling, first party games are selling, third party casual software is selling, and Japanese third party hardcore titles look to be on the upward slope, but Western third party hardcore titles still aren't there.

It sounds absurd when you put it that way, doesn't it? The complaints have been reduced to "The Wii isn't selling blockbuster, third party, hardcore, Western software!" Look at how many modifiers I have to put on that -- the goal posts keep getting narrower as the Wii continues to sell. However, it just so happens that this forum we are talking on right now is 1) Hardcore and 2) Western, so the fact hardcore western games are the only group still not on the Wii is actually a pretty big deal to this specific group of people. For someone like Legend, I know it's a big deal, because he clearly favors games that fall in to that category.

Sorry for saying this, but it seems to me that he clearly favors games that get released on the 360. I doubt that he would care at all for Star Ocean 4 if it wasn't going to be released on the 360.

EDIT: In response to the post you quoted me in: I meant only Japanese third parties, sorry if that wasn't clearly implied.

I agree, Star Ocean 4 does stick out on his list, doesn't it? That's a game that skews in a peculiarly Japanese way, with very few Western followers. I guess it's lucky for Legend that he doesn't like hardcore Japanese games... but it just so happens that of the games that are big in Japan but not in the West, he likes Star Ocean, which also happens to be the only one of these games on his system.

I'm just joking, really: <3 Legend, I'm just poking fun, and not meaning to offend. This sort of silliness doesn't take away from Legend's main point, and I was trying to focus on Legend's main point -- that Western, hardcore, blockbuster third party games still aren't on the Wii, which is true and is a point worth noting -- without getting bogged down by this fanboyish tete a tete. But you had to go and bring me down in to it anyway, didn't you Rol? Didn't you?

 



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