OMG, you are crazy.  So you now are justifying the killing of children who will be born into poverty or unfair situations?  So kill the poor kids is you answer?  That's just absurd.

But playing your absurd little game, I'll just ask the person sitting next to me, because that is similar to how they were raised (with the exception their dad was a drug dealer)...

Okay, it unanimous, she doesn't want to die either...

I'm not trying to justify anything. But you can't say that the parents i just told about are able to raise a kid normally, because that's just not happening. I'm just telling the kids don't deserve it. It's what best for the kid and the parents, it's all about the future.

The parents are screwed up, so since life is unfair to the kids, let´s make sure the kids don´t exist. That doesn´t make sense.

"I think I would. But even if I didn't, Somebody would. And nobody has the right to decide if I should live or die. Specially if they think that it will be a horrible life. It is my choice. No one else´s."

Here we go full circle again. The debate is not whether or not killing is ok, the debate is whether or not its killing at all.

I'm ok with an early abortion because I feel it absurd to think it would have anything resembling a soul or personality yet.

You on the other hand most likely believe it has a soul at conception!

Its not something we can argue about. Its very strong beliefs that make up who we are at the core and will never change our minds!

Although it sounds like a lot of sense to me, there will always be different views to things, that's normal.

 Because nuking could lead to sever undercrouding in some areas and the disturbance in the cosmic-shifts will cause the Earth to go spinning into the sun.

Abortions? Not so likely.

NOt really. It´s not about the fact that I believe that it has a soul. It is abput the fact that it is a human life.

It has human Dna. Not the nmothers or the fathers. It breathes, exchanges substanes, etc.

It is alive. Therefore, it has rights.

The number one right is - right to live

I know you didnt want to debate this, but you act as if I have to accept that you think that is only a religious when I dont think it is. I think differently. It has to be debated and it is not just an religious issue.

The skin cells we shed have human DNA. As far as I'm concerned if its just a bunch of cells using the mothers support systems as its own its not its own separate being yet.

And no one agrees with partial birth abortion except in extreme circumstances. Just FYI its not even legal. Thats when it becomes really questionable whether its alive or not. You know, when it has the half developed organs that actually make it seem like a living thing.

To me, my life starts from the earliest point I can remember. Anything that happened before my memory I would not care about unless it is something that causes me to be miserable now. Like losing a toe or something. And if I'm miserable enough I'd just wish for death anyways. Which is far worse than not having existed at all.

Yea my apologies if it sounded like that. I work at a hospital and I deal with children with genetic disorders all the time. Ofcourse they have a right to live. But in every case, you can see the parents suffer.Diseases where its treatable- thalassemia etc is fine but stuff like, Downs, spina bifida, cerebral palsy almost kill these parents in the long run. They love their kids no doubt but im sure they would rather not see their children suffer with such illnesses. If medical technology allows us to scan for such genetic disorders Im all for it. Again its not a baby till it breathes on its own, its a fetus. Everyone has a right to be happy.

Okay, now you've hit a sore spot with me.  My parents adopted my little brother Isaac who was literally a crack-baby.  He was born without a chin, left-shoulder, a curved spine, no voice-box, his trachea is closed up, and his legs were bowed so bad he couldn't stand.

Instead of having him aborted, my parents paid the lady to have the kid and then she gave him up for adoption.

He is now 5 years old, and the doctors swore he would be dead before his 2nd birthday.

My parents have spared no expense in helping him lead a normal life.  After countless surgeries and physical therapy, he now has straight legs, a good spine.. and while there is still work left to do, he uses sign language to communicate with us and gets fed from a tube (and he has a trach for breathing), he is largely a normal child... and he is the happiest darn kid you'd ever meet.. He loves life and everything in it.  He especially looks up to me, and always wants to be around me.

He plays and goes to school with my kids, they play video games, and he plays outside with them... and by the time he is an adult, the doctors have changed their evaluation and now believe they will be able to completely finish his bodies recontruction, and with the exception of some scars and he'll have to learn to speak vocally....

(above) my son, and brother's Matthew & Isaac

long story short, my little brother deserved to live, and he did and will continue to.  Just because he was born into a situation of poverty and genetic deformities doesn't mean he's less of a human being than anyone else... he's just special in his own way, and we all love him dearly.  He's just the sweetest boy you'd ever know.