I only agree with it in one case... rape.  I still think in a perfect world a completely closed adoption is best, but I understand the premise of abortion in such cases really.

Outside of that, either own up to the accident, and keep the kid or live with your mistake for 9-mos. and give the kid away... everybody knows, especially in the USA, there are just too many people who can't have kids, and want kids, but they wait in line for a kid to become available for years and years sometimes.

Like I said, that's what happened to me.  I'm one of 10 kids, and 8 of us were adopted.  My mom wants more, but she just waits around until another child becomes available.

So what I am saying is, you shouldn't force an unwanting parent to be a parent.  That's bad for the child.  But there are other options... and they actually are pretty easy.  In most cases, if you find a family early (which is really easy) they will even pay for the mother's maternal expenses while she is pregnant.

I am just thankful everyday that it didn't happen to me... all the things I would have missed.  Like being married and my 3 children now, that's what life is all about.

I believe the thing is, If a woman decides to go through the absolute misery that is pregnancy and giving birth shes gonna want to keep it afterwards too. Whether she can raise it properly or not.

I want to have kids some day, but I really really do not want to go through the pregnancy and childbirth thing. Ugh what a horrible experience that would be. Wish we were built to have a bit more of a pleasant and smooth childbirth experience. Not a massively disproportionate body and messed up hormones and organs for 9 months and then risking your life, and most likely having your woman parts either cut open or ripped open or even worse having a C section which involves having your abdomen cut open... while you are still awake... and then having a permanent hideous scar on your belly forever. Its like something out of a horror movie. Most of you are guys, you probably can't feel the reality of how horrible it is if there is no chance of it ever happening to you.

I do believe this is why people generally do not opt to keep it and give it up for adoption. Either they don't want it at all or they keep it for good. You know, with all the pain and effort put into it why would you just want to give it away? Especially when we are talking about the same people who go and sleep around without thinking of the consequences. What makes you think they'd go through all that just to give it up?

I'm no longer just pro-choice, I'm pro-abortion.

I'm serious too, I think that in a world with problems with over-crowding and with children growing up in entirely unsuitable conditions abortion needs to be free and widely available and used more often than it currently is.

Though I disagree with it as a form of birth control, there are far safer ways of doing that.

Oh no, I get what you are saying... so no argument there.

I just hate "the easy way out" on most things. Because not everyone gets a choice in these types of matters.

If you have arthritis in your hand, and you decide just to amputate you hand to end the pain permanently, I don't agree with the choice, but I won't interject. It's something that only affects that person, so if they want to do it, it's none of my business.

Abortion became personal to me at an early age for obvious reasons, so I just put the unborn first because they don't get a say in what happens to them.

Line up 100 kids who were almost aborted (but the mother chose life instead) and ask them if they regreat the choice their mother made.. I'm no Einstein, but I'd bet all 100 kids would choose life. That's my only point I suppose. I'm one of those kids, and I'm damn glad she changed her mind.

why not just nuke most of africa and asia?

oh god, i know you are joking, but that's just too much.  especially those poor kids in africa... they have enough problems to worry about than by adding nuclear devastation to the mix.

 Because that would be a political disaster. You can pretty much sign off the next election and prepare to pack your bags.

You are totally not getting the point imo. Of course those kids would choose life. If the abortion did happen, there wouldn't be any kids to ask from! on the rest i agree with Rath. It depends on the situation a lot. And also what moongoddess says; at what point in life do you have a soul etc.

But, if you want to make it personal like you did, okay.

Imagine; you come out as a baby all happy and stuff. at the age of 3-4 you become a little bit aware of what is happening around you .Imagine you living in some random trailer park. the parents aren't insured and they haven't got any money for you to go to school. There are no good future prospects for you. You end up like your parents in some kind of vicious circle. Your dad (wants to make a good living), becomes an evil member of the maffia and kills for money and deals in drugs.Now tell me, do you still want to live? I think the mother then has to have this choice, and think for the baby, because that's what this is all about right?

it wasnt really a joke.  just a critical look on his position.  if murder is ok because of over-crowding and unsuitable conditions....why not go to places where there are large amounts of people living in poor conditions and kill them.

I think I would. But even if I didn't, Somebody would. And nobody has the right to decide if I should live or die. Specially if they think that it will be a horrible life. It is my choice. No one else´s.

And killing people to try to fix societal problems is not the answer.