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joora on 07 December 2008

The only conclusion that i can draw from this thread is that PCwii is the best combo to own this gen.

And that HD consoles are eyecandy wannabes, but even fail in that area compared to PC. And they are crippled with their limited control options, so even the wii eats em in that area (not to mention the PC again). HD consoles are the mediocrity of the current generation of gaming.

Too bad all this had nothing to do with the original post. Regarding that, i can see more "better versions" of the multiplat games on wii, the reviewers need to adopt to different control options (for example Skate it - the control with the balance board was too hard for some reviewers to master, so they have easily dismissed the game for being uncontrollable, while other editors stated it's harder to master, but not impossible, and gave the game good rating).



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theprof00 on 07 December 2008
MaxwellGT2000 said:
bardicverse said:
theprof00 said:

This is what you don't understand. PC has the hacking community, PC has system requirements.
Consoles, have almost no cheaters, have a more difficult aiming ability (and therefore a steeper learning curve, allowing for good gamers to reach high scores fairly quickly),
have no system requirements.

BTW maxwell, where in the OP did it mention that quote?

 

Yeah... what? Most games going all the way back to Quake 3 Arena have some sort of anti cheating mechanism that boots cheaters offline. Cant hack a game without the source code to modify it, and the honest truth is, no gamer is getting their hands on a company's source code unless it is purchased or freely offered by the dev.

 

Exactly what I was thinking, I mean I played about 3 years of Unreal 2004 on PC without meeting a cheater, in fact the last time I played a cheater was on Starcraft back in 2003... so yeah... lots of cheaters everywhere on PC ZOMG!!! 

Also with every post you seem more and more like my kind of guy bardicverse!

wow, I really hope you are both kidding. I see hackers everyday on cod, CS, and most every other online game including yahoo games like scrabble. I now know what kind of people I am arguing with, thank you and goodnight.

 



theprof00 on 07 December 2008
Grampy said:
theprof00 said:

This is what you don't understand. PC has the hacking community, PC has system requirements.
Consoles, have almost no cheaters, have a more difficult aiming ability (and therefore a steeper learning curve, allowing for good gamers to reach high scores fairly quickly),
have no system requirements.

BTW maxwell, where in the OP did it mention that quote?

 

 Oh wow, that is truely a novel concept to me. To praise an inferior aiming system because it actually steepens the learning curve. You have just become my new poster child for a previous posting about the social divide among gamers.

http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=51805&page=1

I hope I can quote you, because it alone would make me want to take the OP and rewrite it as an article for a gaming journal. That statement practically defines hte "warrior" demographic.

 

how can that be a novel concept when you've heard of it. lulz

 



MaxwellGT2000 on 07 December 2008
theprof00 said:
MaxwellGT2000 said:
bardicverse said:
theprof00 said:

This is what you don't understand. PC has the hacking community, PC has system requirements.
Consoles, have almost no cheaters, have a more difficult aiming ability (and therefore a steeper learning curve, allowing for good gamers to reach high scores fairly quickly),
have no system requirements.

BTW maxwell, where in the OP did it mention that quote?

 

Yeah... what? Most games going all the way back to Quake 3 Arena have some sort of anti cheating mechanism that boots cheaters offline. Cant hack a game without the source code to modify it, and the honest truth is, no gamer is getting their hands on a company's source code unless it is purchased or freely offered by the dev.

 

Exactly what I was thinking, I mean I played about 3 years of Unreal 2004 on PC without meeting a cheater, in fact the last time I played a cheater was on Starcraft back in 2003... so yeah... lots of cheaters everywhere on PC ZOMG!!! 

Also with every post you seem more and more like my kind of guy bardicverse!

wow, I really hope you are both kidding. I see hackers everyday on cod, CS, and most every other online game including yahoo games like scrabble. I now know what kind of people I am arguing with, thank you and goodnight.

 

 

Yes an actual PC game developer like Bardicverse could not possibly know what he's talking about over someone who doesn't seem to understand what the OP is even trying to state, then claim all he sees are cheaters online, and then tries to act like he's superior when the only thing that he's superior at is being a fanboy... really interesting...

Though I highly doubt you see hackers probably someone that just curb stomps you with pure skill and reaction time, though if you play a lot of console FPS games then it's understandable you can't handle the big boys on PC.



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--OkeyDokey-- on 07 December 2008
MaxwellGT2000 said:
Ari_Gold said:
MaxwellGT2000 said:
Ari_Gold said:
MaxwellGT2000 said:
Ari_Gold said:
MaxwellGT2000 said:
Ari_Gold said:
i agree with mr bubbles, reviewers have come up with a different way to review Wii games, and don't compare them directly to their HD counterparts.

 

Well to be quite honest, you're ideas are usually wrong = I mean you said you beat me at Mario Kart when I didn't even play you and the only way you could have played me is joining a game my friend was playing while I was away.

That and the fact... that well facts say otherwise just like Gnizmo pointed out, people are directly comparing games like Shaun White, Guitar Hero, and Call of Duty on all the platforms vs each other, it's just usually Wii reviewers take the HD counterpart into the review while the HD review rarely takes anything from the Wii review, usually only compairing 360 vs PS3, cause they love to leave out the fact that Dual Analog sucks for FPS and Wii remote and Mouse and KB destroy it

geez not that crap again. You're posting your opinion as a fact, and to be quite honest, its bad for vgchartz. Your opinions are different than mine, that doesn't make them the absolute truth you know. This is a place for civil discussion, not just I THINK Wii MOTE IS BETTER.. BLA BLA BLA...  Dual Analogs don't suck for FPS, for every person that hates Dual Analog, theres another one that hates Wii remote. Yes the Mouse and KB destroys everything including the Wiimote, but thats not what this thread is about huh?

 

 

Whenever you want to play mario kart just say it, i'll gladly admit defeat.

 

 

Facts are facts, fact dual analog is not as fast as Mouse & KB nor Wii remote for FPS, fact dual analog is not as dead on accurate as Mouse & KB or Wii remote without an auto lock feature, fact dual analog takes longer to do a quick look around then Wii remote and Mouse & KB.  Those are undisputable facts and thing is with FPS games control is everything, the faster you can move, turn, aim, and react is the difference between winning and losing.

Facts are facts. The PS3/360/PCs FPS's have much better graphics, much better online, more players, dlc, voice chat, than the Wii's. Those are undisputable facts and thing is with FPS games, graphics are everything. They push the genre foward, a FPS with shitty graphics won't sell. Online play has to be up to standards, which were set up by Halo 3, or even CoD 4.

 

Hope you like some facts :)

 

 

Wow that would be great if I didn't say Mouse & KB in each one of my points, but then again you said graphics are everything... and that alone makes your point's fall rather flat... I mean gameplay says HI!  I didn't know that seeing a pretty shiny thing in front of you was more important then being able to play it well... you've shown me the light Ari how could I ever be so blind... *rolls eyes*

Seriously to support the dual analog controls over much better controls is like saying you like the N64 with 1 analog stick vs dual analog... dual analog wins every time but times change, games change, and progress needs to be made, we've had 3 gens now of dual analog on consoles there's better choices out there now for controls, much better choices.

 

You're just too stubborn. Graphics really matter for FPS, its what drives the games hype, and sales. You are hyping the Conduit because of its graphics are the best on the wii, i guess it caught your interest am i right?

 

Actually you couldn't be more wrong, I support the Conduit based on it's controls being fully customizable more along the lines of PC customization (hmm I'm seeing a trend that all goes back to PC), a good Wii FPS not set in World War II, an interesting story about government conspiracy, 16+ multiplayer online, LAN support (none of that splitscreen crap), Wii Speak support, and hopefully no friend codes.  That and the fact it's obvious these guys are working their asses off to make a quality game on the Wii and believe in it so much that they would make it an Wii exclusive.  Plus they're wanting to push things so far as to use Wii motion plus when that will release just before the Conduit releases and will be one of the few games to support it.  

So why would I support it cause it looks nice?  I mean I got a huge list of reasons to support it that are ten times better reasons to support it then pointless graphics.

Pointless graphics? Are you that ignorant?

So controls are everything, huh? I guess The Conduit is gonna be better than Killzone 2, right? o_o



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Gearbox on 07 December 2008

they mean on average so u found a couple of alright games and said ooo look the wii beat the 360 and ps3 version, so? thats only a couple of games/



noname2200 on 07 December 2008
--OkeyDokey-- said:
MaxwellGT2000 said:

 

Actually you couldn't be more wrong, I support the Conduit based on it's controls being fully customizable more along the lines of PC customization (hmm I'm seeing a trend that all goes back to PC), a good Wii FPS not set in World War II, an interesting story about government conspiracy, 16+ multiplayer online, LAN support (none of that splitscreen crap), Wii Speak support, and hopefully no friend codes.  That and the fact it's obvious these guys are working their asses off to make a quality game on the Wii and believe in it so much that they would make it an Wii exclusive.  Plus they're wanting to push things so far as to use Wii motion plus when that will release just before the Conduit releases and will be one of the few games to support it.  

So why would I support it cause it looks nice?  I mean I got a huge list of reasons to support it that are ten times better reasons to support it then pointless graphics.

Pointless graphics? Are you that ignorant?

So controls are everything, huh? I guess The Conduit is gonna be better than Killzone 2, right? o_o

Leaving aside how silly y'all are being (my unreleased game's better than your unreleased game! ), this damned argument is getting too long. You don't need to quote the whole bloody mess every single time. especially if you're just adding two lines...

 



theprof00 on 08 December 2008
MaxwellGT2000 said:
theprof00 said:
MaxwellGT2000 said:
bardicverse said:
theprof00 said:

This is what you don't understand. PC has the hacking community, PC has system requirements.
Consoles, have almost no cheaters, have a more difficult aiming ability (and therefore a steeper learning curve, allowing for good gamers to reach high scores fairly quickly),
have no system requirements.

BTW maxwell, where in the OP did it mention that quote?

 

Yeah... what? Most games going all the way back to Quake 3 Arena have some sort of anti cheating mechanism that boots cheaters offline. Cant hack a game without the source code to modify it, and the honest truth is, no gamer is getting their hands on a company's source code unless it is purchased or freely offered by the dev.

 

Exactly what I was thinking, I mean I played about 3 years of Unreal 2004 on PC without meeting a cheater, in fact the last time I played a cheater was on Starcraft back in 2003... so yeah... lots of cheaters everywhere on PC ZOMG!!! 

Also with every post you seem more and more like my kind of guy bardicverse!

wow, I really hope you are both kidding. I see hackers everyday on cod, CS, and most every other online game including yahoo games like scrabble. I now know what kind of people I am arguing with, thank you and goodnight.

 

 

Yes an actual PC game developer like Bardicverse could not possibly know what he's talking about over someone who doesn't seem to understand what the OP is even trying to state, then claim all he sees are cheaters online, and then tries to act like he's superior when the only thing that he's superior at is being a fanboy... really interesting...

Though I highly doubt you see hackers probably someone that just curb stomps you with pure skill and reaction time, though if you play a lot of console FPS games then it's understandable you can't handle the big boys on PC.

Wow, is anyone else reading this? does anyone else see how completely over the edge this person is? simply amazing maxwell.

I always thought you were a bit of a fanboy, but now I can see you are more than that. You are a delusional fanboy.

I really hope you are just joking with me.

This video may be a bit old, but there are plenty to pick from.

COD4

Warhammer Online

CODWAW

you wanna go for the jackpot genius? Final Jeopardy is next.



MaxwellGT2000 on 08 December 2008
noname2200 said:
--OkeyDokey-- said:
MaxwellGT2000 said:

 

Actually you couldn't be more wrong, I support the Conduit based on it's controls being fully customizable more along the lines of PC customization (hmm I'm seeing a trend that all goes back to PC), a good Wii FPS not set in World War II, an interesting story about government conspiracy, 16+ multiplayer online, LAN support (none of that splitscreen crap), Wii Speak support, and hopefully no friend codes.  That and the fact it's obvious these guys are working their asses off to make a quality game on the Wii and believe in it so much that they would make it an Wii exclusive.  Plus they're wanting to push things so far as to use Wii motion plus when that will release just before the Conduit releases and will be one of the few games to support it.  

So why would I support it cause it looks nice?  I mean I got a huge list of reasons to support it that are ten times better reasons to support it then pointless graphics.

Pointless graphics? Are you that ignorant?

So controls are everything, huh? I guess The Conduit is gonna be better than Killzone 2, right? o_o

Leaving aside how silly y'all are being (my unreleased game's better than your unreleased game! ), this damned argument is getting too long. You don't need to quote the whole bloody mess every single time. especially if you're just adding two lines...

 

 

I wasn't having a "my game is better then your game slapfest though :'(  But really I stated "pointless graphics" wrong I was meaning more of graphics that do nothing to improve the gameplay, like graphics that improve draw distance = good! graphics that only add polygons and do nothing to improve gameplay = pointless, but we're at a point in gaming where it's less of the graphics that improve gameplay and now it's shifted towards "how many polygons and pretty textures can we give this game?" which doesn't add anything to the game in the least, except for eye candy.

Controls and gameplay are first and foremost the most important parts of a game, after that is presentation, then graphics and sound. 

Side Note: I don't like Killzone nor Killzone 2, the story isn't interesting to say the least, the graphics are good on a technical standpoint but the colors they chose to make the worlds make everything look a little flat to me, I mean yes I've watched countless videos, yes I've seen whats going on and from a technical standpoint it's by far the best FPS on consoles, but what I hate is the style of the game which is why everything falls flat to me.  Okami is a much better looking game IMHO.



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MaxwellGT2000 on 08 December 2008
theprof00 said:
MaxwellGT2000 said:
theprof00 said:
MaxwellGT2000 said:
bardicverse said:
theprof00 said:

This is what you don't understand. PC has the hacking community, PC has system requirements.
Consoles, have almost no cheaters, have a more difficult aiming ability (and therefore a steeper learning curve, allowing for good gamers to reach high scores fairly quickly),
have no system requirements.

BTW maxwell, where in the OP did it mention that quote?

 

Yeah... what? Most games going all the way back to Quake 3 Arena have some sort of anti cheating mechanism that boots cheaters offline. Cant hack a game without the source code to modify it, and the honest truth is, no gamer is getting their hands on a company's source code unless it is purchased or freely offered by the dev.

 

Exactly what I was thinking, I mean I played about 3 years of Unreal 2004 on PC without meeting a cheater, in fact the last time I played a cheater was on Starcraft back in 2003... so yeah... lots of cheaters everywhere on PC ZOMG!!! 

Also with every post you seem more and more like my kind of guy bardicverse!

wow, I really hope you are both kidding. I see hackers everyday on cod, CS, and most every other online game including yahoo games like scrabble. I now know what kind of people I am arguing with, thank you and goodnight.

 

 

Yes an actual PC game developer like Bardicverse could not possibly know what he's talking about over someone who doesn't seem to understand what the OP is even trying to state, then claim all he sees are cheaters online, and then tries to act like he's superior when the only thing that he's superior at is being a fanboy... really interesting...

Though I highly doubt you see hackers probably someone that just curb stomps you with pure skill and reaction time, though if you play a lot of console FPS games then it's understandable you can't handle the big boys on PC.

Wow, is anyone else reading this? does anyone else see how completely over the edge this person is? simply amazing maxwell.

I always thought you were a bit of a fanboy, but now I can see you are more than that. You are a delusional fanboy.

I really hope you are just joking with me.

This video may be a bit old, but there are plenty to pick from.

COD4

Warhammer Online

CODWAW

you wanna go for the jackpot genius? Final Jeopardy is next.

 

Haha yes there is cheating but cheating can be done with any game, anyway if people are cheating in your games as you so say then you're not playing on official servers, or not playing on PC at all which I suspect the 2nd option as you have no clue what the hell you're talking about.

PS: Using "fanboy" to counter "fanboy" isn't very original and rather weaksauce...



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