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Since I'm sure my comments on IGN will fall on deaf ears here's what I replied on the comments section of this article.

"I do agree that 2008 fell a little flat compared to 2007 and will be flat compared to 2009 but I don't agree with all of the hate Wii has gotten this year. I mean everyone says "Oh look at what PS3 and 360 are getting" but forget the fact that in 2007 it wasn't that way sure there was CoD4 and Bioshock (which didn't hit PS3 until 2008) but other then those few gems Wii was the one throwing out the core titles that everyone had to play, early 2008 was nearly as great with Smash and Kart so close to each other and are still titles I'm playing now, you can't expect Nintendo to push titles out all the time as they give them good full development cycles so this is a time period where 3rd parties could have stepped up and shown how their titles can sell on Wii but they didn't.

To bitch and complain about not having a major core game for one holiday season is jumping the gun a bit, many of the normal crowd have a backlog of titles to catch up on in times like this I myself have about 5 Wii titles, 3 rare gamecube titles I found, and some DS and PSP titles I need to play, not to mention things like LBP I co-op with my friend and such, but there was times both Matt and Bozon discussed last year around this time on the Voice chat (Wiik in review at the time) where they said things like "I like my PS3 but there's nothing to play on it right now" and that happened for PS3 for over a year, yet it's horrible that Wii does it for one holiday season. GAH *slaps a cup off the table as I leave the room*"



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amp316 said:

Has IGN lost amp316's interest? I should start that thread.

At one time IGN wasn't that bad toward the Wii, but for some unexplained reason (hopefully not their opinions being bought off) they are quickly turning into Gamespot.

Matt has always been a whiny crybaby, but he's getting worse.  He's a self proclaimed graphics whore who is only concerned by outside appearances.  His vanity has completely overwhemed his sensibleness.  He used to be somewhat reasonable, but lately he's just become irritating.

The only reason I ever even started going to that site is because Fran is a good friend of mine.  But since he left the Nintendo team (probably because Matt's an idiot, though he would never say) I could really care less if they even existed.

To borrow bdbdbd's statement, 'elitist prick' is the best way to describe him.

 



Star Scream said:
The main problem for 3rd parties is Wii's power. Had it been more powerful (even half as powerful as PS3/360), we wouldn't have this discussion.

 

This!

...It's the one thing that he brought up, that alot of game studios have mentioned. I understand this view, but question if it makes a difference in the quality of their games. I can understand if more power meant better games, but so far this year it hasn't panned out. To me studios need to be more concerned with makeing a great game over the prettiest game.



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bdbdbd said:
@Yushire: The genres aren't going anywhere. By the looks of the current state of shooters, a lot of the shovelware will exit the market and the best-selling franchises will stay, since the "easy money" is found somewhere else. This basically isn't similar change that the industry experienced a decade ago, when the games that were lost were 2D games. The way how the games are played, will change, but the genres itself don't. There just will be a larger diversity of games.

Nintendo haven't lost the core gamer, atleast not with Wii, they only have won them back.

And no, Nintendo did not forget the core in the first two years. They actually did better, than they did with N64 and GC. People have already forgot N64, but GC started well with 3rd party support, unlike Wii, so the ones who forgot the core gamer, was actually the 3rd parties.

I guess we all have been there when the change makes one doubting the future.

 

 

Im sorry to be the one to tell you this but Nintendo failed the hardcore gamer when they decided to opt out on advanced hardware.  After walking the streets of Jerusalem in Assassins' Creed or Launching an airbone strike in COD4, I could never look at a Wii game seriously again. Even a game like No More Heroes which is adult themed just looked silly and out dated. Or how about Zelda.  It was basically a Gamecube game with tacked on Wii controls. I liked the game but I have absolutely no desire to play it again. The older ones much better.  They were the finest most colorful games at the time.  And how about the original Mario Kart and its use of Mode 7 graphics.  It was simply amazing. Or the 64 version and its incredible 3-D courses.There was no other game like it.  But the new Mario Kart is just too out there, and the graphics are uninspiring.  Even SSBB was not so much of a visual improvement over SSBM.And Mario Galaxy.  Why doesnt anyone talk?  Its annoying having to read lame mundane text all the time when we are in the 7th generation of console gaming.  Im sorry I cant deal with Nintendo and all their current mute, kiddy characters represented by subpar graphics.  It worked fine in the 16 but generation, but that time has ended.

And dont get me started with their God awful online system.  In the case of SSBB and Mario Kart, their two hugest multiplayer games they totally ruined the online aspect with their lame policies regarding matchmaking.  The game makers were thinking only about kids and safety while us loyal fans from the past who have become adults were never added in to the equation. And while some of their third party games are a bit better in terms of online, they still cannot compare to the XBox360 or even PS3.

Nintendo has instead chosen to focus on their wii remote and wireless functionality.  Perhaps it will amount to something in the future, but for now it is just plain silly.  Aside from shooters, the wii remote is tiresome for long hours of play.  And the Wii fit,  Im sorry I used it used but all I could think was that I could get 10 times a better workout by stepping outside and going for a jog. Or even taking a walk. Working out in front of a television set is about as stupid as exercising to Richard Simmons or Taebo. And the Wii Fit along with the console itself is overpriced. Meanwhile Xbox360 and PS3 are selling at a loss. They are giving gamers more for less.

I loved the NES, SNES, 64 and Gamecube. They were incredible consoles that provided me with countless hours of fun and entertainment.  I had every reason to want to like the Wii, but it just slowly got lamer and lamer as superior titles came out on the other systems. If you like the Wii fine. But I am disappointed with it. For those of us who are older and appreciate the finer aspects of gaming the Wii cannot satisfy our needs. Wii is like the Budweiser of the gaming world.  Its heavily marketed, cheap and easy to drink down so it has a wide appeal, but after you try better beers you can never go back to it.






MaxwellGT2000 said:
Since I'm sure my comments on IGN will fall on deaf ears here's what I replied on the comments section of this article.

"I do agree that 2008 fell a little flat compared to 2007 and will be flat compared to 2009 but I don't agree with all of the hate Wii has gotten this year. I mean everyone says "Oh look at what PS3 and 360 are getting" but forget the fact that in 2007 it wasn't that way sure there was CoD4 and Bioshock (which didn't hit PS3 until 2008) but other then those few gems Wii was the one throwing out the core titles that everyone had to play, early 2008 was nearly as great with Smash and Kart so close to each other and are still titles I'm playing now, you can't expect Nintendo to push titles out all the time as they give them good full development cycles so this is a time period where 3rd parties could have stepped up and shown how their titles can sell on Wii but they didn't.

To bitch and complain about not having a major core game for one holiday season is jumping the gun a bit, many of the normal crowd have a backlog of titles to catch up on in times like this I myself have about 5 Wii titles, 3 rare gamecube titles I found, and some DS and PSP titles I need to play, not to mention things like LBP I co-op with my friend and such, but there was times both Matt and Bozon discussed last year around this time on the Voice chat (Wiik in review at the time) where they said things like "I like my PS3 but there's nothing to play on it right now" and that happened for PS3 for over a year, yet it's horrible that Wii does it for one holiday season. GAH *slaps a cup off the table as I leave the room*"

HA! I read your comment on there pretty good. I was going to make a thread for this article, but I'm glad I searched to see if someone else did...anywho to your comment.

...To me the Wii is being held to a harsher standard then the other home consoles on the market. Cause alot of articles you read it's as if Nintendo didn't release ANY games this year. Yes the 2008 Holiday season has been light for the Wii, but as Denise Kaigler noted just because they didn't release a bunch of games this Holiday season doesn't mean they have abandoned the core gamer. Also, as Matt mention the lineup for the Wii going into 2009 is VERY promising.

But I agree with the overall tone of this article that waiting sucks ass. =D



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KichiVerde said:
bdbdbd said:
@Yushire: The genres aren't going anywhere. By the looks of the current state of shooters, a lot of the shovelware will exit the market and the best-selling franchises will stay, since the "easy money" is found somewhere else. This basically isn't similar change that the industry experienced a decade ago, when the games that were lost were 2D games. The way how the games are played, will change, but the genres itself don't. There just will be a larger diversity of games.

Nintendo haven't lost the core gamer, atleast not with Wii, they only have won them back.

And no, Nintendo did not forget the core in the first two years. They actually did better, than they did with N64 and GC. People have already forgot N64, but GC started well with 3rd party support, unlike Wii, so the ones who forgot the core gamer, was actually the 3rd parties.

I guess we all have been there when the change makes one doubting the future.

 

 

Im sorry to be the one to tell you this but Nintendo failed the hardcore gamer when they decided to opt out on advanced hardware.  After walking the streets of Jerusalem in Assassins' Creed or Launching an airbone strike in COD4, I could never look at a Wii game seriously again. Even a game like No More Heroes which is adult themed just looked silly and out dated. Or how about Zelda.  It was basically a Gamecube game with tacked on Wii controls. I liked the game but I have absolutely no desire to play it again. The older ones much better.  They were the finest most colorful games at the time.  And how about the original Mario Kart and its use of Mode 7 graphics.  It was simply amazing. Or the 64 version and its incredible 3-D courses.There was no other game like it.  But the new Mario Kart is just too out there, and the graphics are uninspiring.  Even SSBB was not so much of a visual improvement over SSBM.And Mario Galaxy.  Why doesnt anyone talk?  Its annoying having to read lame mundane text all the time when we are in the 7th generation of console gaming.  Im sorry I cant deal with Nintendo and all their current mute, kiddy characters represented by subpar graphics.  It worked fine in the 16 but generation, but that time has ended.

And dont get me started with their God awful online system.  In the case of SSBB and Mario Kart, their two hugest multiplayer games they totally ruined the online aspect with their lame policies regarding matchmaking.  The game makers were thinking only about kids and safety while us loyal fans from the past who have become adults were never added in to the equation. And while some of their third party games are a bit better in terms of online, they still cannot compare to the XBox360 or even PS3.

Nintendo has instead chosen to focus on their wii remote and wireless functionality.  Perhaps it will amount to something in the future, but for now it is just plain silly.  Aside from shooters, the wii remote is tiresome for long hours of play.  And the Wii fit,  Im sorry I used it used but all I could think was that I could get 10 times a better workout by stepping outside and going for a jog. Or even taking a walk. Working out in front of a television set is about as stupid as exercising to Richard Simmons or Taebo. And the Wii Fit along with the console itself is overpriced. Meanwhile Xbox360 and PS3 are selling at a loss. They are giving gamers more for less.

I loved the NES, SNES, 64 and Gamecube. They were incredible consoles that provided me with countless hours of fun and entertainment.  I had every reason to want to like the Wii, but it just slowly got lamer and lamer as superior titles came out on the other systems. If you like the Wii fine. But I am disappointed with it. For those of us who are older and appreciate the finer aspects of gaming the Wii cannot satisfy our needs. Wii is like the Budweiser of the gaming world.  Its heavily marketed, cheap and easy to drink down so it has a wide appeal, but after you try better beers you can never go back to it.


@BOLD: I can never get how people say the Wii remote is tiresome to use. I mean unless you flicking the thing like you're throwing a pitch everytime you do an attack in Mario Galaxy, for example, you REALLY shouldn't be getting tired using it. Maybe it's cause I workout regularly, but I call bullshit on game time being limited cause you're tired.

I mean we had to develop calluses on our thumbs, to play gamepads...suck it up.

 



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...Imagine how boring the interweb would be if everyone thought logically?

senortaco said:
MaxwellGT2000 said:
Since I'm sure my comments on IGN will fall on deaf ears here's what I replied on the comments section of this article.

"I do agree that 2008 fell a little flat compared to 2007 and will be flat compared to 2009 but I don't agree with all of the hate Wii has gotten this year. I mean everyone says "Oh look at what PS3 and 360 are getting" but forget the fact that in 2007 it wasn't that way sure there was CoD4 and Bioshock (which didn't hit PS3 until 2008) but other then those few gems Wii was the one throwing out the core titles that everyone had to play, early 2008 was nearly as great with Smash and Kart so close to each other and are still titles I'm playing now, you can't expect Nintendo to push titles out all the time as they give them good full development cycles so this is a time period where 3rd parties could have stepped up and shown how their titles can sell on Wii but they didn't.

To bitch and complain about not having a major core game for one holiday season is jumping the gun a bit, many of the normal crowd have a backlog of titles to catch up on in times like this I myself have about 5 Wii titles, 3 rare gamecube titles I found, and some DS and PSP titles I need to play, not to mention things like LBP I co-op with my friend and such, but there was times both Matt and Bozon discussed last year around this time on the Voice chat (Wiik in review at the time) where they said things like "I like my PS3 but there's nothing to play on it right now" and that happened for PS3 for over a year, yet it's horrible that Wii does it for one holiday season. GAH *slaps a cup off the table as I leave the room*"

HA! I read your comment on there pretty good. I was going to make a thread for this article, but I'm glad I searched to see if someone else did...anywho to your comment.

...To me the Wii is being held to a harsher standard then the other home consoles on the market. Cause alot of articles you read it's as if Nintendo didn't release ANY games this year. Yes the 2008 Holiday season has been light for the Wii, but as Denise Kaigler noted just because they didn't release a bunch of games this Holiday season doesn't mean they have abandoned the core gamer. Also, as Matt mention the lineup for the Wii going into 2009 is VERY promising.

But I agree with the overall tone of this article that waiting sucks ass. =D

 

Waiting does suck ass but that has been apart of this business since day 1, it's all because a great game gets announced and unlike movies it can run into major issues and be delayed over 2 years at times.  The real issue I have at the moment is with people jumping on the Wii ever since it came out and now they feel they finally have a legit argument to hate the Wii, first it was a fad or it wasn't good enough with graphics or then the whole "I don't want to move when playing video games" and then you get the shovelware argument when every leading console gets shovelware... so in saying it's getting shovelware is admitting it's beating your all mighty gaming machine/company that can do no wrong.

Really what I'm saying is people are stupid/biased and cannot see any real facts.  Waiting sucks ass but every console has a period of waiting for games, I mean all of 2006 for 360, all of 2007 for PS3, and now Wii has a waiting period at the end of 2008... and will have a shorter wait time for great releases then other consoles... so it's really stupid for people to complain and I mean it's total meltdown bitching I mean no one acted like this for any other console...



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@Maxwell: Oh, but Nintendo released one major core game for the christmas market. It just wasn't what everybody was hoping for: Animal Crossing.

@KichiVerde: For those of us who are older, Wii offers so much more than the HD consoles. It features new and traditional gameplay. It features gameplay where you're supposed to achieve something, instead of just beating the game.
Brawls online didn't work that well, but Mario Kart had the perfect online system (well, communicating in friendmatches, or atleast in the waiting room could have been there).

You had the wrong analogy with Wii, it's not the Bud, it's like Pringles; Once you pop, you can't stop.



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KichiVerde said:

I loved the NES, SNES, 64 and Gamecube. They were incredible consoles that provided me with countless hours of fun and entertainment.  I had every reason to want to like the Wii, but it just slowly got lamer and lamer as superior titles came out on the other systems. If you like the Wii fine. But I am disappointed with it. For those of us who are older and appreciate the finer aspects of gaming the Wii cannot satisfy our needs. Wii is like the Budweiser of the gaming world.  Its heavily marketed, cheap and easy to drink down so it has a wide appeal, but after you try better beers you can never go back to it.

We have a wine taster here! Honestly, I think people who taste wine as a hobby are silly enough, but there are actually people who take the same approach to gaming?

That's obviously elitist.

 



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senortaco said:
KichiVerde said:
bdbdbd said:
@Yushire: The genres aren't going anywhere. By the looks of the current state of shooters, a lot of the shovelware will exit the market and the best-selling franchises will stay, since the "easy money" is found somewhere else. This basically isn't similar change that the industry experienced a decade ago, when the games that were lost were 2D games. The way how the games are played, will change, but the genres itself don't. There just will be a larger diversity of games.

Nintendo haven't lost the core gamer, atleast not with Wii, they only have won them back.

And no, Nintendo did not forget the core in the first two years. They actually did better, than they did with N64 and GC. People have already forgot N64, but GC started well with 3rd party support, unlike Wii, so the ones who forgot the core gamer, was actually the 3rd parties.

I guess we all have been there when the change makes one doubting the future.

 

 

Im sorry to be the one to tell you this but Nintendo failed the hardcore gamer when they decided to opt out on advanced hardware.  After walking the streets of Jerusalem in Assassins' Creed or Launching an airbone strike in COD4, I could never look at a Wii game seriously again. Even a game like No More Heroes which is adult themed just looked silly and out dated. Or how about Zelda.  It was basically a Gamecube game with tacked on Wii controls. I liked the game but I have absolutely no desire to play it again. The older ones much better.  They were the finest most colorful games at the time.  And how about the original Mario Kart and its use of Mode 7 graphics.  It was simply amazing. Or the 64 version and its incredible 3-D courses.There was no other game like it.  But the new Mario Kart is just too out there, and the graphics are uninspiring.  Even SSBB was not so much of a visual improvement over SSBM.And Mario Galaxy.  Why doesnt anyone talk?  Its annoying having to read lame mundane text all the time when we are in the 7th generation of console gaming.  Im sorry I cant deal with Nintendo and all their current mute, kiddy characters represented by subpar graphics.  It worked fine in the 16 but generation, but that time has ended.

And dont get me started with their God awful online system.  In the case of SSBB and Mario Kart, their two hugest multiplayer games they totally ruined the online aspect with their lame policies regarding matchmaking.  The game makers were thinking only about kids and safety while us loyal fans from the past who have become adults were never added in to the equation. And while some of their third party games are a bit better in terms of online, they still cannot compare to the XBox360 or even PS3.

Nintendo has instead chosen to focus on their wii remote and wireless functionality.  Perhaps it will amount to something in the future, but for now it is just plain silly.  Aside from shooters, the wii remote is tiresome for long hours of play.  And the Wii fit,  Im sorry I used it used but all I could think was that I could get 10 times a better workout by stepping outside and going for a jog. Or even taking a walk. Working out in front of a television set is about as stupid as exercising to Richard Simmons or Taebo. And the Wii Fit along with the console itself is overpriced. Meanwhile Xbox360 and PS3 are selling at a loss. They are giving gamers more for less.

I loved the NES, SNES, 64 and Gamecube. They were incredible consoles that provided me with countless hours of fun and entertainment.  I had every reason to want to like the Wii, but it just slowly got lamer and lamer as superior titles came out on the other systems. If you like the Wii fine. But I am disappointed with it. For those of us who are older and appreciate the finer aspects of gaming the Wii cannot satisfy our needs. Wii is like the Budweiser of the gaming world.  Its heavily marketed, cheap and easy to drink down so it has a wide appeal, but after you try better beers you can never go back to it.


@BOLD: I can never get how people say the Wii remote is tiresome to use. I mean unless you flicking the thing like you're throwing a pitch everytime you do an attack in Mario Galaxy, for example, you REALLY shouldn't be getting tired using it. Maybe it's cause I workout regularly, but I call bullshit on game time being limited cause you're tired.

I mean we had to develop calluses on our thumbs, to play gamepads...suck it up.

 

 

Agreed anyone that gets tired playing the Wii doesn't need to be playing games in the first place they should be going outside and getting some sun before they die of a heart attack while playing some Halo in their moms basement... ok a bit far on that stereotype... but really if you're getting tired playing the Wii you're not in shape at all and I mean most people are below what they should be but the only way you could get tired playing any core title on Wii you're way below what most (lazy) people are at, so you should probably start going out and walking and watch what you eat.



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