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Khuutra said:
Kasz216 said:
Khuutra said:
Kasz216 said:

All of them?  They're about to reprint Persona 1... which would be cool.

 

 

So the original is a good jumping off point, then, that would get me familiar with the "fresh narrative" of the series? Good.

How hard are all of they to find?

Well they're not all connected by story actually.  So maybe it'd be better to go with 3 now that i think of it.

It's the easiest to find.

Actually Persona 4 is about to come out too....

Also it's not really the first one.  Persona is just the most popular of the Shin Megami franchise.  There are re-releases of the originals on the PS1-PS2 as well.

The originals actually being out on SNES... (or maybe even one before on NES.)

 

 

Gimme a breakdown. The only "Shin Megami Tensei" I'm familiar with is Nocturne, and that only by name.

So the best game to pick up would be Persona 3? Is it just the bst gme in the series?

Get Nocturne. It's arguably the best the in the series. The game has so much freedom and a very interesting story. Pretty much every action you take affects the ending. The game is pretty difficult at times and a little cheap (one hit kills), but it makes you really strategize your moves rather than pressing attack everytime.

OT: I don't think reviewers are biased. Most of their reviews are spot-on, and I pretty much agree with them. They really brought nothing new to JRPGs. Lost Odyssey feels like something I've played ten years ago. Eternal Sonata was average. Lame story, same enemies over and over and I didn't like the battle system. Disgaea 3 was the weakest one in the series. I didn't really notice any difference compared to the previous. The story was eh. Maybe you're the one who's biased.



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Well, reviewers always have their yearly preference. It's like a fad. This year the fad is that linearity is outdated.
I don't understand that. Linearity makes for great cinematic story moments for example.
Anyway, I'm not complaining, since I feel this gen could go equal to the amazing SNES-PS1 times if progress is being made at the current pace. There are much more JRPGs now and in the near future that are awesome. Sticking to my own systems:

DS
FFIII
FFIV
Suikoden Tierkreis
Fire Emblem
The World Ends With You
DQIX

Wii
Tales of Symphonia 2
Muramasa: Demon Blade
Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn
Arc Rise Fantasia
Fragile

360
Lost Odyssee
Tales of Vesperia
FFXIII
Last Remnant
IU

And that's from the top of my head, there are probably a lot more. I'm not complaining at all.



....Muramasa is a JRPG?



BengaBenga said:
Well, reviewers always have their yearly preference. It's like a fad. This year the fad is that linearity is outdated.
I don't understand that. Linearity makes for great cinematic story moments for example.
Anyway, I'm not complaining, since I feel this gen could go equal to the amazing SNES-PS1 times if progress is being made at the current pace. There are much more JRPGs now and in the near future that are awesome. Sticking to my own systems:

DS
FFIII
FFIV
Suikoden Tierkreis
Fire Emblem
The World Ends With You
DQIX

Wii
Tales of Symphonia 2
Muramasa: Demon Blade
Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn
Arc Rise Fantasia
Fragile

360
Lost Odyssee
Tales of Vesperia
FFXIII
Last Remnant
IU

And that's from the top of my head, there are probably a lot more. I'm not complaining at all.

JRPGs just seems to be going through some growing pains right now.  The Japanese developers are still in the process of transitioning into the current gen.  I'm sure once Star Ocean The Last Hope and White Knight Chronicles come out, I'm sure the genre(or subgenre) will get back on its feet.

 



Khuutra said:
....Muramasa is a JRPG?

 

Unless you think Odin Sphere is not a JRPG yes. You can call it a ARPG as well I suppose.



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BengaBenga said:
Khuutra said:
....Muramasa is a JRPG?

 

Unless you think Odin Sphere is not a JRPG yes. You can call it a ARPG as well I suppose.

 

Ehhhhh I tend to think of them as ARPGs at most. That would mean that the Metroidvanias are JRPGs too, which doesn't sit well.



Riachu said:
Darc Requiem said:
coolestguyever said:
ever think that WRPG's are just better. Oblivion was amazing, Fallout 3 is great, Fable 2 is popular but I've never played it. WoW is hella popular even though its nerdy as hell.

 

I like RPGs period and Oblivion is overrated. The game is pretty, its well made, but its boring as hell. I actually had more fun with Morrowind. Mass Effect is one of my favorite games this gen, but it got great scores in spite of long load times, bugs, and repetitive side quests. TLR seems to be getting penalized for issues that were also present in Mass Effect. The difference is Mass Effect got a .5 to 1 point deduction. TRL seems to be getting a 1.5 to 2 point deduction.

The reviewers seems to think that the technical issues are more glaring in TLR than they were in Mass Effect

 

I'll make my final judgement when I get my hands on TLR but Mass Effect's issues were certainly more severe than Lost Odyssey's.

 



Darc Requiem said:
Riachu said:
Darc Requiem said:
coolestguyever said:
ever think that WRPG's are just better. Oblivion was amazing, Fallout 3 is great, Fable 2 is popular but I've never played it. WoW is hella popular even though its nerdy as hell.

 

I like RPGs period and Oblivion is overrated. The game is pretty, its well made, but its boring as hell. I actually had more fun with Morrowind. Mass Effect is one of my favorite games this gen, but it got great scores in spite of long load times, bugs, and repetitive side quests. TLR seems to be getting penalized for issues that were also present in Mass Effect. The difference is Mass Effect got a .5 to 1 point deduction. TRL seems to be getting a 1.5 to 2 point deduction.

The reviewers seems to think that the technical issues are more glaring in TLR than they were in Mass Effect

 

I'll make my final judgement when I get my hands on TLR but Mass Effect's issues were certainly more severe than Lost Odyssey's.

 

I played LO and I can safely say that framerate issues are actually the least of your worries in terms of flaws.  I can name some flaws that really bogged down LO from completely reaching its potential.

 



I do think that JRPGs of the last generations are so far better than current-gen JRPGs. The JRPG fall started last-gen, ps2 RPGs didn´t reach the quality and diversity of SNES and PS RPGs. And I think that´s due to Squaresoft going bankrupt and merging with Enix, which led to lack of competition and fear of making new original IPs.

Considering the handheld RPGs so far, there´s really one that deserved 90+ rating and that´s TWEWY. The rest are remakes and enhanced ports of older games and honestly would it be right to rate these a 90+? Another game that I personally believe deserves a 90+ rating is Crisis Core, but this is really a tricky game. It´s a prequel to FFVII and is deeply attached to its protagonist. It´s not a typical RPG, it rather tells the story of Zack Fair in an already predetermined way and focus on revealing infos on Shinra, Jenova Project, etc... Judgement of it is really tricky because one FFVII demographic will praise the game for what it does and its quality and another won´t because it´s not a typical FFVII and/or retcons some stuff. Non-FFVII demographic is again separated in two, those that are happy with a different take on RPGs and those that were expecting a RPG with world map and such. Lastly, Jeanne D´Arc, cutscenes aside, didn´t impress me. FFT is far better.

Considering console JRPGs, I´ll start with LO. It has a great world, great characters, great character emotions and good cutscenes (one cutscene with Kakanas is really funny!). So far so good. The story is enthralling up to the end of disc 2 and the memories are a superb piece of literature. After that it really starts to deter and become typical of an average JRPG, I was expecting much more to be going on. The villain in the end is typical of that of old Sakaguchi RPGs in power , but he doesn´t reach the epicness of Kefka, Sephiroth. The gameplay is solid and deep, good strategy is required in some parts and most bosses. At some points I found it really easy though. It is tried out formula that works really well here, but random encounters, exploration/battle field transition and easy difficulty in some parts should have been avoided. Now the technical stuff, the game is suffering from loading times, weird face character textures and framerate drop. Also the main characters, villain and other important characters are well-made and have lot of detail, yet the rest like citizens are really weak and the same face models are being used like hell. So I don´t think LO would deserve a 90+ rating. If it had the same story quality in the second part, eventually a better villain, was more polished, more seamless and had fewer loading screens it would have been top-quality.
I think TLR suffers from the same technical stuff yet much worse. It is indeed an overambitious RPG that if SE let its dev team polish for 6 months it would have been an instant classic. IU, well, this one is just a bad RPG. Tales of are the same since the gamecube. They haven´t practically changed at all and they have the same pros/cons as always. For me they´ve always been 80+ games and it should be the case for ToV and ToS2(if it doesn´t stray from the winning formula). SO 1&2 have surpassed Tales for me in every single field and I think if SO4 sticks to what made these 2 successful and offers roaming to different planets it will be a 90+~95+ game. Haven´t played VC because I don´t own a PS3 but from what I´ve seen this game should have been higher, at least very near to 90 or a bit higher. I haven´t played BD as well, but that´s because I was really turned off by the demo and I really don´t consider it to be good.
There is one current JRPGs that would deserve a 90+ rating, yet not on current-gen consoles. And this is P3 . But it´s understandable that it´s stuck between 85 and 90, because its graphically not marvelous since Atlus doesn´t have cash to make games with AAA production values.

As far WRPGs go, I think the Elder Scrolls series is overrated and Oblivion shouldn´t be over 90+. I´ve played both Morrowind and Oblivion a bit and really didn´t like them. On the other hand Fallout 3 deserves a 90+ rating, it´s based on a splendid and even a different developer that has cash can still make a very good game. It still isn´t Fallout 1&2 quality of course. I haven´t played ME to judge and I´ve heard the game has bugs and technical issues maybe this one is proof that reviewers are highly biased towards WRPGs. On top of that if the main quest takes places in one place only, is only 10 hours long and the sidequests are bad then I highly doubt how such a RPG deserves a 90+ rating. Kotor barely made 90+ rating and it seems it´so much better than ME. I think the Witcher rating reflects its quality, very good but nothing more. It can´t reach the quality of last year RPG of the year Persona 3, even it has much better graphics. This at least is reflected through the ratings. I´ve played Fable 2 and I think its rating is a bit too high, it should have rather been a bit below 85. The combat is easy, slow for an action RPG, the usage of spells is awkward since you can´t easily switch between various spells. It has some neat features like the gestures and interactions with NPCs, but this gets boring. I really like how you can use both melee and long range weapons, I really like when RPGs do that (see Rogue Galaxy). Marrying, buying a house and taking care of your family are cool, but nothing impressive actually, rather tedious in the end. I found the the weapon smithing cool and addictive. The most entertaining thing for me was dressing up my character with clothes I wanted.



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