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z64dan on 01 August 2007
People still expect Nintendo to just go in a straight line from where they are (Wii 2, better graphics) but I think Nintendo might be planning even more innovation down the road, so that Sony and Microsoft are STILL playing catchup.

It took 5 years for Microsoft to make an Ipod clone, and then Apple came out with the Iphone. It will take 5 years for Sony/Microsoft to come up with a Wii clone, and by then Nintendo will come out with the ______ (insert amazing, innovative gaming system here).
It is almost like Microsoft/Sony can't possibly release an affordable console, because then it wouldn't be STATE-OF-THE-ART (lol). They MUST release the most bleeding-edge console possible, otherwise their fans will whine. "Oh my god 360 only has 4 teraflops! PS3 has like, 4.2. GOSH! WE NEED MORE TERAFLOPS TO HAVE A FUN GAME." 


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senatorpjt on 01 August 2007

I don't know if the concept of separate SKU's is really relevant for the PS3. Aside from the 20GB which was only briefly available, the only major difference between the 60/80GB is the size of the HD, which doesn't really matter in the sense that no game will use the whole thing.

With the 360, you have a system with no HD at all that ends up severely limiting developers, and important stuff being different between the others, like the HDMI ports in the Elite.

Also, the PS3 SKU's are called the "60GB" and "80GB", you know exactly what the difference is. What's the difference between "Premium" and "Elite?" It's even hard to say which one would be better. "Premium" sounds like it should be the best one. What are they going to call the next one?

I have a HDTV and a Wii, and the graphics are far inferior to the PS3/360 if only in terms of resolution. This could go two ways. Ideally, once HDTV becomes more widely adopted and the price of the hardware drops, Nintendo could release a HD version of the Wii that would play the game at HD resolutions (Just like you can select a resolution in a PC game, it's not unreasonable.)

However, we could see the unfortunate repeat of what happened with the PS2: Developers had to beat on and trick the hardware to get satisfactory results, which results in poor compatibility for software emulation on the PS3.



Bodhesatva on 01 August 2007
senatorpjt said:
I don't know if the concept of separate SKU's is really relevant for the PS3. Aside from the 20GB which was only briefly available, the only major difference between the 60/80GB is the size of the HD, which doesn't really matter in the sense that no game will use the whole thing.



Not true -- the 80 GB version has limited backwards compatability. The 60/20 GB versions are 100 percent compatable with all PS2 software. That's an important difference.

 



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Grey Acumen on 01 August 2007

@z64dan - Actually, that's not what I'm getting at. Remember, I'm talking about 5 years down the road. Just like you said, Nintendo is planning more innovation, but that innovation can already be implemented with the Wii. They could practically innovate for the next 15 years and never change the Wii console itself.

There really isn't anything limiting them currently, so when I say that the next console will have updated Graphics and Processing power, it's only because that is the only thing that is console dependent and therefor the only reason that Nintendo would have any NEED to release a new console at all. Eventually they are going to want to update the power, speed, and graphics, and hence that will be the major focus of the new console, while they simply build on the numerous controller innovations they come up with over the next 5 years.



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Maverick Hunter Z on 01 August 2007

Microsoft and Sony foolishly chose naive disruption tactics this eara that without Nintendo would have almost assuredly destroyed the market. As much as I love my 360, I'm not going to deny it.

The x-factor now is developers and what they decide to do. I think most are just as confused as some consumers and their bazaar strategies for this generation seem to show it quite clearly.



Proud Owner Of: Wii, DS, PSP, Xbox 360 (Brother owns PS3 & PS2)

Things that have changed since the last Generation of Gaming:

- Nintendo has shown us you can have the best selling console of all time with virtually no games for it.

- Graphics suddenly matter to Sony fans but Reverse Compatibility and Dual shock oddly enough don’t.

- Kiddy Crap is trendy with Hardcore gamers now that it’s no longer Nintendo’s “thing” (Viva Piñata, Little Big Planet, Banjo Kazooie 3, LBP)

- Third Party Developers are now essentially the equivalent of Video Game street pimps.

- Gimmicks are no longer fads (Wii-mote)... Well, not all Gimmicks (PS-Eye)

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Killzone3 on 01 August 2007

Not even gonna waste time reading, console race has bare begun. Once all 3 are below $300 and PS2 is finally dead, things will get interesting.




Maverick Hunter Z on 01 August 2007
Killzone3 said:
Not even gonna waste time reading, onsole race has bare begun. Once all 3 are below $300 and PS2 is finally dead, things will get interesting.




Translation: "When all said criteria are met the PS3 is definitly going to win." 

BTW: Ps2 has been extended for another 7 years according to Sony. So its going to be a long wait for you.



Proud Owner Of: Wii, DS, PSP, Xbox 360 (Brother owns PS3 & PS2)

Things that have changed since the last Generation of Gaming:

- Nintendo has shown us you can have the best selling console of all time with virtually no games for it.

- Graphics suddenly matter to Sony fans but Reverse Compatibility and Dual shock oddly enough don’t.

- Kiddy Crap is trendy with Hardcore gamers now that it’s no longer Nintendo’s “thing” (Viva Piñata, Little Big Planet, Banjo Kazooie 3, LBP)

- Third Party Developers are now essentially the equivalent of Video Game street pimps.

- Gimmicks are no longer fads (Wii-mote)... Well, not all Gimmicks (PS-Eye)

Killzone3 on 01 August 2007
Maverick Hunter Z said:
Killzone3 said:
Not even gonna waste time reading, onsole race has bare begun. Once all 3 are below $300 and PS2 is finally dead, things will get interesting.




Translation: "When all said criteria are met the PS3 is definitly going to win."

BTW: Ps2 has been extended for another 7 years according to Sony. So its going to be a long wait for you.


 Sure as hell something with +30% defective rate wont win.

main markets like Japan, Western Europe and NA PS2 life wont last that long.



Maverick Hunter Z on 01 August 2007
Killzone3 said:
Maverick Hunter Z said:
Killzone3 said:
Not even gonna waste time reading, onsole race has bare begun. Once all 3 are below $300 and PS2 is finally dead, things will get interesting.




Translation: "When all said criteria are met the PS3 is definitly going to win."

BTW: Ps2 has been extended for another 7 years according to Sony. So its going to be a long wait for you.


 Sure as hell something with +30% defective rate wont win.

main markets like Japan, Western Europe and NA PS2 life wont last that long.

Hahaha, It's a +20% defective rate and seems limited to early launch production waves. And the seven year announcement was for the Japanese market, the most critical for the PS3. Sorry to dash your hopes. :)

 



Proud Owner Of: Wii, DS, PSP, Xbox 360 (Brother owns PS3 & PS2)

Things that have changed since the last Generation of Gaming:

- Nintendo has shown us you can have the best selling console of all time with virtually no games for it.

- Graphics suddenly matter to Sony fans but Reverse Compatibility and Dual shock oddly enough don’t.

- Kiddy Crap is trendy with Hardcore gamers now that it’s no longer Nintendo’s “thing” (Viva Piñata, Little Big Planet, Banjo Kazooie 3, LBP)

- Third Party Developers are now essentially the equivalent of Video Game street pimps.

- Gimmicks are no longer fads (Wii-mote)... Well, not all Gimmicks (PS-Eye)

TWRoO on 01 August 2007
Grey Acumen said:
I say that Nintendo's current controls actually don't need changed, but merely updated. Esentially all they need to do is release an HDWii (when it becomes financially feasible to do in 5 years) and don't actually change the layout of the wiimote or nunchuck. Instead, package the console with a single updated Wiimote nunchuck combo.
basically the updates to the Wiimote would be a FULL camera, which would still be able to sense the IR points, but could also be used like the PS2 eyetoy just by placing it up on top of the TV, and then also a total overhaul of the speaker system so that it could actually be made full use of.
The nunchuck would gain built in rumble of its own, and then also have a mic built into it, so that you could do voip style chat without needing any extra equipment.

If you notice, none of those features will prohibit anyone from using the old Wiimote, which means that they can still recycle their old controllers for use with the new system, instead of having to buy all new controllers for all those wonderful multiplayer games. BUT the features themselves (and the fact that Nintendo would be packaging a single HDWiimote and HDNunchuck with the HDWii so that people would still be able to see the obvious difference in features) would get people interested in getting at least another upgraded controller.

I think that may actually have been why PS2 was so successful. They built on their own back catalog of games from the PS1. Gamecube couldn't do this, neither could the Xbox, so as a result, PS2 got the most early consumer appeal, which meant that PS2 was more heavily supported by developers. It's the same type of snowball effect that the Wii is creating right now.

Nintendo definitely needs to take advantage of that backwards compatibility issue.
Since they're the innovators of motion control right now, they'll have the stage set to provide an HDWii in 5 years that can play all the current Wii games. By that time they could have a HUGE library of motion control supported games. If people would also be able to use their current controllers with the next console, I'm sure they'd have no problems jumping into it.
  cool.
excellent thinking, whether it will happen i don't know, when was the last Nintendo controller that followed the previous so closely. the Snes seem similar to NES(except for the Japanese second NES controller with the speaker) but with more buttons, but all the rest have been incredibly different.
come to think of it though, maybe you are right, i mean if they change it too much how will it be backward compatible (and they can't change that philosophy after GC compatability and the VC)