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Dgc1808 on 19 November 2008

The that will get the weakest 3rd party support without moneyhatting.



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triplebph on 19 November 2008

@Selnor

Still Metal Gear Solid 4 got a 10 from IGN and Gears 2 didn't. Matter of fact Gears 2 didn't score as high as Fallout 3 on the 360 at IGN either, and Resistance 2 (and LBP) received the exact same score as Gears 2.



mai on 19 November 2008

@triplebph

And what's the point of your post on-topic? LOZ:OOT is still highest rated games of all time, of all platforms. So what?



selnor on 19 November 2008
triplebph said:

@Selnor

Still Metal Gear Solid 4 got a 10 from IGN and Gears 2 didn't. Matter of fact Gears 2 didn't score as high as Fallout 3 on the 360 at IGN either, and Resistance 2 (and LBP) received the exact same score as Gears 2.

I was replying to a comment that Gears 2 wasnt the best graphically or technically. Not the overall game.

The thread is about power of the console.

 



Deneidez on 19 November 2008
selnor said:
Staude said:
Sardauk said:

Only Floating Point Operations ? Is that the relevant criteria to be declared the most powerfull plateform ???

 

yes

How absolutely pathetic is this. FPW represents even in GT5P about 20% of the work the rest is general purpose processing. Why would even a PS3 fanboy post a chart for floating point work only? Major LOL. Crysis for instance is almost entirely General purpose processing. Floating point work is mainly used for streaming and video. Media stuff. So MGS4 is great for this as the majority of the game/movie is not controlled.

Don't shoot the messenger. I just stated where he might have got those numbers. As I stated with Dwarf Fortress(My post about that ascii game in this thread...) its not all about FLOPS.



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Kantor on 19 November 2008
selnor said:
Kantor said:
selnor said:
mai said:
This gen it was the PS3 which had the most powerfull system but so far...

Meh, just stop reading at this point, tired of fanboys.

Yep stopped reading here to. There is no proof of this. Dont speal off Cell figures either. It's the entire system as a whole that eminates the final production. And if you believe the statement you made, then why is the 360 having no trouble keeping with it, and currently (of games that are available to buy) have the most impressive technical and visual game?

Anyways as Zucas article pointed out and history as well, Power and graphics does not equal success. The quality of the games do.

 

Please enlighten me. What 360 game has better graphics than MGS4, Uncharted and GT5 Prologue? Don't say Gears of War 2. Please don't say Gears of War 2.

Look at any PS3 exclusive. Most of them look incredible. However, (how many times have I said this?) more people own 360s, Microsoft pays for this sort of thing, multiplats are optimised for 360. 360 games do not look bad, by any stretch of the imagination. But you really cannot truthfully say that the 360 can have better graphics than the PS3.

The PS3 hardware is undoubtedly better, as well.

First, the processor. You cannot deny that the Cell is better than the PowerPC. It's seven processors in one. Killzone 2 uses FIVE of those. Imagine what a game using all seven could look like

The RAM. 360 has 10MB more. Wow.

GPU: PS3 is 50MHz faster.

360 has Infrared. PS3 has Bluetooth.

And, of course,

360 has DVD, PS3 has Blu-ray.

I'm not saying the PS3 is better than the 360. But the hardware is better.

 

Yes Gears 2. I'm sorry to burst your bubble and all, but almost all the reviewers of Gears 2 think the same. Together with the actual people I know who own a PS3 only also were gobsmacked by Gears 2. See I dont get sucked in to the whole Forum bias graphical stuff.

Before Gears 2 I firmly believed and posted that both Uncharted and MGS4 were better than Gears 1, ME and Bioshock. So I'm not and idiot who blindly states shit (although my predictions sometimes are very optimistic, LOL).

In fact to quote for instance IGN review " Gears of War is the closet thing to Hollywood production values" Shock hey. Bu, bu what about MGS4? Another quote from the same review "Gears of War 2 takes HD visuals into a new Realm".

Dont get sucked in by the hype of a machine, or because you may have spent £400 on a console, when one that cost £200 can do the same stuff.

 EDIT: Just re read your post. Do you know anything about hardware?

Ram is fairly even in size but the size isnt all to how ram works efficiently. Also yes the GPU on PS3 is 50mhz faster. But if you know anything about GPU's (pipelines, resources, shader versions etc) it is widely known the 360 GPU is better. And then there is the full system bandwidth. I'll let you try and work that out. I know the answers and how they work. As I said I'm not sucked in by a company who sate something. I have built enough gaming PC's to know what to look for.

To quote the IGN review,

Gears 2 graphics score- 9.5

MGS4 graphics score- 10

Granted I haven't seen Gears of War 2 in action yet, I have no doubt that it has the best graphics on 360, but I honestly don't see any graphics feasibly being better than MGS4, short of Killzone 2 and Gran Turismo 5. You know what? This calls for a comparison shot.

There's another thing. Even if Gears 2's graphics were better than MGS4, they would be nowhere NEAR GT5.

 



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joshin69 on 19 November 2008

Actually the thread is about which company will make the most powerful console NEXT gen. All this hot air about this gen is because the author thinks the PS3 is this gen. Which is or is not the most powerful this gen is open to interpretation so why not just answer the question? Nintendo for me as i think MS & Sony will both try and control costs where Nintendo will try and make as powerful as poss



 

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Deneidez on 19 November 2008
Kantor said:

To quote the IGN review,

Gears 2 graphics score- 9.5

MGS4 graphics score- 10

Granted I haven't seen Gears of War 2 in action yet, I have no doubt that it has the best graphics on 360, but I honestly don't see any graphics feasibly being better than MGS4, short of Killzone 2 and Gran Turismo 5. You know what? This calls for a comparison shot.

There's another thing. Even if Gears 2's graphics were better than MGS4, they would be nowhere NEAR GT5.

When providing screenshots(Two simple rules...):

1. Make sure they are as large as resolution they are run.

2. Don't pick bullshots. If theres no huds & stuff they are most likely bullshots.

GT5 isn't out yet, or is it? And yes gears 2 might look worse than PS4 game(GT5 that is). Anyway if you ment GT5P, you really don't know how games are made and where all that 'power' goes. Hint: Static models...



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bouzane on 19 November 2008

@Kantor

The PS3 only has a 2x Blu-ray player which reads at 9MB/s which is pathetic. This coupled with the cost the Blu-ray player adds to each PS3 and the 12-18 month delay the Blu-ray player caused it is the PS3's biggest disadvantage.

Back on topic, I think that the next gen consoles will be closer in terms of hardware power and much more importantly, cost. Hopefully Sony gets it right and focuses on components that will more greatly impact game performance such as the GPU and RAM or on reducing the cost of the PS4. If they had any business sense they would launch before the next Xbox for a lower price but I somehow doubt that scenario.



toastboy44562 on 19 November 2008
haxxiy said:
perpride said:
d21lewis said:
The most powerful console will be the one that doesn't come in first place, if history is to be trusted.

PS3, Xbox, N64, Neo Geo, Sega Master System.........

 

Could it be argued that N64 was not more powerful than PSOne?

 

 Lol. N64 = 2 PSOnes

1/2 ps1=n64