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Username2324 said:
theprof00 said:
I don't know how many times I can explain it to you.
By watching the commercials in this thread after reading "marketing sucks" or whatever, and having some detachment from the commercial, you can't really say if it is good or bad.
What I can tell you is that Sony has huge marketing department and its arrogant to think that you know better than they do. I would say this about any of the companies because they each have different goals.

So you think it was a good idea to show a guy who's penis had mutated into a thumb?

If you're going to do a commercial it should be a fun entertaining commercial... For example the Universe commercials, those were not only awesome to watch but they showed you games and features of the console, is that too much to ask?

 

did you watch it online or on tv?

how come you still remember it?

Do you live in the country where it aired?

the bolded section is where you think you know better. Fun entertaining commercials are not always the most effective as a lot of times they become more about the commercial than the product.

In fact, a lot of those commercials that are "witty" often talk too much, have too much exposure, and people forget what they were advertising. Those commercials where at the end of the commercial someone says something or makes a joke or the punch line, like those jetta commercials, employ a thing called "klinkers" or things that effective just destroyed the entire commercial.

EDIT: watching a commercial on youtube is not considered being audience to that commercial. Many companies don't put their commercials on youtube because it doesn't effectively target anyone. It is a superficila detached looking glass not a venue.

Unless you are viral marketing which is a different story.

 

 



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Sony does have the absolute worst marketing I have ever seen in my whole entire life. If I was not a complete suck ass Sony fanboy I would never know any of their games exist. Casual people have no idea what any of Sony's FPG are. Sony needs to get their shit together and market these world class titles they develope or they might as well let the devs go so that their talents can actaully be veiwed by the few clinging Sony fans.



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theprof00 said:
Username2324 said:
theprof00 said:
I don't know how many times I can explain it to you.
By watching the commercials in this thread after reading "marketing sucks" or whatever, and having some detachment from the commercial, you can't really say if it is good or bad.
What I can tell you is that Sony has huge marketing department and its arrogant to think that you know better than they do. I would say this about any of the companies because they each have different goals.

So you think it was a good idea to show a guy who's penis had mutated into a thumb?

If you're going to do a commercial it should be a fun entertaining commercial... For example the Universe commercials, those were not only awesome to watch but they showed you games and features of the console, is that too much to ask?

 

did you watch it online or on tv?

how come you still remember it?

Do you live in the country where it aired?

the bolded section is where you think you know better. Fun entertaining commercials are not always the most effective as a lot of times they become more about the commercial than the product.

In fact, a lot of those commercials that are "witty" often talk too much, have too much exposure, and people forget what they were advertising. Those commercials where at the end of the commercial someone says something or makes a joke or the punch line, like those jetta commercials, employ a thing called "klinkers" or things that effective just destroyed the entire commercial.

EDIT: watching a commercial on youtube is not considered being audience to that commercial. Many companies don't put their commercials on youtube because it doesn't effectively target anyone. It is a superficila detached looking glass not a venue.

Unless you are viral marketing which is a different story.

 

 

Now let's analyze this commercial, what all does it show:
PS3

Grant Turismo 5: Prologue
Ratchet & Clank: Tools of Destruction
Uncharted: Drake's Fortune
Warhawk
Sixaxis Motion Control
Ninja Gaiden(?)
Guitar Hero 3
Lair
Blu-Ray
Home
Playstation Store
Price

Not only did it show you many great games, features and functions of the PS3, but it did it all in 1 minute and in an awesome way that makes you pay attention.

In regards to the bolded I have seen most or all PS3 commercials on TV, I refer to Youtube to show them to you, and I think Youtube is just as good an advertising place as TV, many many users and it's FREE.



not everything is about showing games and price. This is what I think you are maybe misunderstanding. There are many ways to accomplish one objective.
This ad was a good ad however,

It took a full minute (vs ten seconds), and they advertised something they didn't have (HOME)

I am sorry but until you get over the fact that youtube is not a good venue for showing commercials we cannot keep debating civilly. Movement has begun to put commercials before youtube videos, and adding overlay watermarks, like what ign does. Those are commercials targetting you.

I'm going to try to explain it simpler:
If someone pops out at you from behind a door in an empty room and scares you you are going to say "AAAAAHHHH" (advertising metaphor) If you just walked into a haunted house in a theme park you are going to be in an already aroused state and expecting something to pop out. (going on youtube to specifically watch a commercial metaphor)
Anticipation vs surprise; it is proven that surprise beats anticipation almost across the board in every aspect.

also, in the end, those are just teasers. According to the mere exposure effect, audience members are more likely to become readily attached and influenced by something that they have unconciously seen 10-20 times previously.



KBG29 said:
Sony does have the absolute worst marketing I have ever seen in my whole entire life. If I was not a complete suck ass Sony fanboy I would never know any of their games exist. Casual people have no idea what any of Sony's FPG are. Sony needs to get their shit together and market these world class titles they develope or they might as well let the devs go so that their talents can actaully be veiwed by the few clinging Sony fans.

And what is your sample may I ask?

 



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theprof00 said:
not everything is about showing games and price. This is what I think you are maybe misunderstanding. There are many ways to accomplish one objective.
This ad was a good ad however,

It took a full minute (vs ten seconds), and they advertised something they didn't have (HOME)

I am sorry but until you get over the fact that youtube is not a good venue for showing commercials we cannot keep debating civilly. Movement has begun to put commercials before youtube videos, and adding overlay watermarks, like what ign does. Those are commercials targetting you.

I'm going to try to explain it simpler:
If someone pops out at you from behind a door in an empty room and scares you you are going to say "AAAAAHHHH" (advertising metaphor) If you just walked into a haunted house in a theme park you are going to be in an already aroused state and expecting something to pop out. (going on youtube to specifically watch a commercial metaphor)
Anticipation vs surprise; it is proven that surprise beats anticipation almost across the board in every aspect.

also, in the end, those are just teasers. According to the mere exposure effect, audience members are more likely to become readily attached and influenced by something that they have unconciously seen 10-20 times previously.

How else am I supposed to show you the commercial I am talking about, shall I record it on Tivo and then go to your house? Why can't you understand that I posted the links so that you could see it!? So that I can point out what I believe makes a good commercial.

I apologize I didn't go to the school of horrible marketing, but I think the consumer knows a bit more about what they like they some guy in an office. And I will tell you that while the Universe commercials were playing on TV they were the best commercials out there, I didn't mind watching them over and over again because they are amazing commercials.

On the other hand do I want to see some naked guy with a thumb for a penis? Hell no.

To make a good commercial it must be entertaing, show or make reference to your product and be something you don't mind watching in between your show. Take the superbowl for instance, those are the most expensive commercials in the world, and what do they do? They make you laugh, they make you want to watch them, they are memorable. As opposed to watching something so annoying, and so repetitive that you vow to not buy the product simply because the ad annoys you.

 




theprof00 said:
not everything is about showing games and price. This is what I think you are maybe misunderstanding. There are many ways to accomplish one objective.
This ad was a good ad however,

It took a full minute (vs ten seconds), and they advertised something they didn't have (HOME)

I am sorry but until you get over the fact that youtube is not a good venue for showing commercials we cannot keep debating civilly. Movement has begun to put commercials before youtube videos, and adding overlay watermarks, like what ign does. Those are commercials targetting you.

I'm going to try to explain it simpler:
If someone pops out at you from behind a door in an empty room and scares you you are going to say "AAAAAHHHH" (advertising metaphor) If you just walked into a haunted house in a theme park you are going to be in an already aroused state and expecting something to pop out. (going on youtube to specifically watch a commercial metaphor)
Anticipation vs surprise; it is proven that surprise beats anticipation almost across the board in every aspect.

also, in the end, those are just teasers. According to the mere exposure effect, audience members are more likely to become readily attached and influenced by something that they have unconciously seen 10-20 times previously.

How else am I supposed to show you the commercial I am talking about, shall I record it on Tivo and then go to your house? Why can't you understand that I posted the links so that you could see it!? So that I can point out what I believe makes a good commercial.

Exactly, you can SHOW ME the commercial, but you aren't marketing it to me. TV commercials are MEANT to be seen in their medium. Companies pull ads because of placement in a show, like at the end of a long string of commercials or right before the show starts again. There is a method to the madness!

I apologize I didn't go to the school of horrible marketing, but I think the consumer knows a bit more about what they like they some guy in an office. And I will tell you that while the Universe commercials were playing on TV they were the best commercials out there, I didn't mind watching them over and over again because they are amazing commercials.

That guy in the office, sampled thousands of people and went over weeks of research asking people in many many different ways what they liked and monitored effectiveness. Besides you didn't even read what I said! They had to pay for a minute of airtime, hire special effects to make it and song usage and they advertised a product they did not have. READ!


On the other hand do I want to see some naked guy with a thumb for a penis? Hell no.

Again, did you read what I asked you before?
Do you live in the region it was playing? Do you remember it? Did you see it on TV?

To make a good commercial it must be entertaing, show or make reference to your product and be something you don't mind watching in between your show. Take the superbowl for instance, those are the most expensive commercials in the world, and what do they do? They make you laugh, they make you want to watch them, they are memorable. As opposed to watching something so annoying, and so repetitive that you vow to not buy the product simply because the ad annoys you.

http://www.medialifemagazine.com/artman2/publish/Research_25/A_downside_to_funny_Super_Bowl_ads.asp

read that page and see how researchers are suggesting that super bowl ads might not be worth it.

there is plenty of material going around to show that comedy is sometimes unmemorable. I mean just now I bet you can't tell me three super bowl commercials and what they were about and who their sponsor was. Sure you can look it up, but it isn't memorable.

Your problem is that you think you know but you do not know

 

successes of these commercials:
Quick, cheap, interesting
classy, unobtrusive, very subtle
Employs "information gap" "mere exposure" proven tested studies by thousands of research studies. These things are like law in psychology.

But whatever you know more than me because what you feel is relevant for the entire population.

Even though you have no facts, no studies, no credibility. You are just going by your own opinion, which for what I can tell you right now, is at least not accepted by even 10% of the people you think you represent.

Whereas I am trained, I am providing links and scientific research and evidence, case studies and meta-analyses, my own personal experience and judgments based on 50+ years of backlog research studies.

And you insulted me whereas despite you not reading, I've been very understanding, and have given an honest effort to inform you.

This part was obviously just for elaboration, there are arguments within your text as well, but let me just clarify you on something. The reason you are not answering my questions as to "did you see the penis commercial on tv" "do you live in said region", and the reason you are not answering to many of my points is because you have no answer for them.



Understanding? You fail to realize that I posted links to commercials I felt were good, and worth the effort. You will not even acknowledge them as commercials that were once aired, simply because I showed them to you through Youtube.

I can tell you this, you are over analyzing what makes a good commercial, why do you think everyone in this thread thinks that RECENT commercials by Sony suck? And that PAST commercials (like the several I have tried to show you) were great? But you know our opinions as consumers do not matter, rather the opinions of people trying to get rewards and are likely not expressing their true feelings on the matter do.

No I cannot print you out a document from my brain or anyone else's brain that says what makes a good commercial. But I can tell you that you are putting way too much faith in your scientific method approach to advertising.

I never said timing wasn't necessary or placement or any of that jazz, I simply said a successful commercial is a commercial that is entertaining, perhaps clever and worth watching again.

For example, I'm sure you've seen those Head On commercials, the really annoying ones. Yes they put the product name in your head but in a manner that you do not want to buy the product because their commercials are so damn annoying they make you want to turn off the tv!

But alas, your years of studying and training and researching with rats to determine what makes a good commercial puts you above the vast majority in this thread.

You have your opinion (which I believe is not really an opinion but a book lesson someone implanted in your brain), and I have my opinion (which focuses on the entertaining and demonstrating aspect of a commercial). Clearly we do not agree and I see no point in further discussing it.



OMFG LISTEN
I am not saying that they are not commercials.
By watching them on Youtube, you are not being subjected to a meticulous process called advertising. You are merely watching them. That is all.



I am saying that
experiencing something is different from seeing it
DO YOU OR DO YOU NOT AGREE?

that is what this all boils down to.