Yea,MS should of done that,and Sony plans on bundling KZ2 next year as well.

LBP lived up to its hype to whether it'll be a fantastic game perfectly. Sales have been plagued by that delay, recall, and so some weren't tracked. But the LBP online community is growing very quickly, and this is more of a legs game than a front loaded one.

KZ2, after so much work has been put into it, won't be just left on its own... Sony will advertise the shit out of it, and I'd assume an open beta will be here soon, to build up hype... I don't know for "system seller" but it's a great addition for the library, making the library sell more systems.

I don't understand where everyone got this idea that LBP was going to destroy the competition and sell 5 million PS3's in its first week; was anyone realistically thinking that was going to happen? LBP is NOT the type of game to draw in people in its first, or second, or even third week. There will be no massive bump but make no mistake LBP will have a long lasting, positive impact on the PS3's sales in the future.
Also, youre talking about LBP having no effect when it's barely been on the market for 3 weeks, you should probably wait and see what happens over the holiday period when LBP will definitely have a pull for Sony.

Killzone2 on the other hand will sell very well, and by very well I'm not talking 5-6 million because as well all know, shooters primarily perform well in the US and that's still the 360's territory in terms of HD consoles, but K2 will most likely perform under these ridiculous hype you keep mentioning, the main reason being that the hype IS ridiculous; regardless of how much money has been plunged into the project it's NOT going to have GTA type sales because the franchise just isn't as big, but that doesn't mean it wont be successful.

But for the more sensible PS3 owners, those who aren't going to jump ship to the 360 or who arent following the ps3 through pure brand loyalty, K2 will most likely achieve everything we expect of it.

You also can't put K2 is the same category as halo, you cant even put gears in the same category as Halo because Halo, like you said, introduced MS into the gaming world. Gears didn't do that in theslightest, Gears just achieved great sales because it was a great game that pretty much ticked every box for your a-typical 360 fan.

The point isnt if the game is good or not, the point is... did it sale or not? Did it live to its hype? Are Wii owners suddenly turned into core gamers and play core quality games on the Wii? This is HVS wants to accomplished and I think they'll never succeed. HVS can do is hope for the best and make the Conduit atleast sell a million but I think it'll be not Gears of War either.

Top-notch controls, visuals that actually take advantage of the Wii's hardware and don't look like a piss poor PS2 port, and online multiplayer WITH voice chat pretty much guarantees that this game will NOT suck.

Worst case scenario is it'll end up being a disappointment for those who have sky-high expectations and for some absurd reason think that this could be the next Halo or Half-Life, but judging from every single hands-on preview given so far, the game is not only very promising but extremely close to fulfilling that promise.

"Last hope"? I dunno. Having never made that claim, I can't really say. Besides, I've discovered that Annie was right: for some people, the sun always will come up tomorrow.

And yet you manage to be quite wrong in this assertion. Tell you what: you step forward with a list of "great" and "more 'hardcore'" Wii games that have disappointed their publisher's expectations. Feel free to surprise me by offering more than two or three (not that you could). I'll even make this easier for you: don't bother talking about Zak and Wiki, Boom Blox, No More Heroes, de Blob, or Okami, as you'll lose on all of those.

When you're done, I'll start listing all the PS3 games that have undersold thier publisher's expectations. I'm looking forward to having fun with this one...

I never realized that a few commercials during Spongebob Squarepants was enough to begin to match the hype levels generated by airing commercials during Monday Night Football. My mistake. By that standard, I guess that means Carnival Games got AAA treatment now.

I'd also like to point out that EA and THQ have called those two games commercial successes. Just thought you'd like to know.

Our board has a 700+ post thread about Valkyria Chronicles. And now I'm watching that game light up the PS3 charts. We had more discussion about Fallout 3 than we did about Little Big Planet, and sales reflect that the general public feels the same.

Point is, discussion board threads have almost no bearing on the general public's buying habits. I'd have thought that the repeated commercial succes of movie tie-in games would have settled that issue long, long ago.

Let me try :

"The company's first game was called Gnop! (Pong spelled backwards)
Following Gnop!, produced Operation Desert Storm, which went on to sell 2,500 copies, and the role-playing game Minotaur: The Labyrinths of Crete in 1992.
Next began working on their first 3D game, Pathways into Darkness, which was released in 1993.
The next project began as a loose sequel to Pathways into Darkness, but evolved into a futuristic first person shooter called Marathon."

Not everybody starts with a Half-Life

@bladeneo and Xen----> I think you're right and maybe I could eat crow but we just admit that the 360 rules the hardcore gaming world and the Wii rules the rest. Im planning to buy a 360 not now, maybe in few months or next year Im not sure, because there are more games on it than the PS3. OK, sure LBP and K2 will be phenomenal but it'll not help SONY and PS3 either. I mean the PS3 userbase was shrinking this NPD sales proves it, I think wait for this.... wont help anymore. Sooner or later even SONY fans will switch to 360 because the PS3 userbase was too small for third parties to cater to it anymore...

just like noone ever owned a Gamecube, it was the obvious loser in sales so it makes sense that noone could have enjoyed the console right? And there were absolutely no 3rd party games on it either.

Honestly, if you want to make your purchases solely based on sales figures go crazy, but I'm going to make them based on my own reasoning and what I want out of a console. Sometimes being on a sales site is just depressing, people use the sales and then think they don't have to make the decision for themselves. Buy what you want because you want it, not because others want it.

Have they ever actually said anything like that? I honestly haven't been following any recent news with the Conduit, but their earlier interviews suggested they were simply filling a void in the market that no one else was putting any serious effort into. If they do expect their one game to completely breakdown hardened stereotypes of the Wii and change entire sales trends, that’s utterly insane. Just as insane as thinking those who think Little Big Planet will break the PS3’s stereotype as the high end cinematic console, or this NXE nonsense breaking the 360’s stereotype as male-testosterone driven shooter console.

I was only arguing past endeavors don’t necessarily dictate future ones. I’m personally not all that concerned with what other people buy, so all that would matter to me is if the game is good or not.