I was watching a 12 hour race on tv the other day...I saw a Ferrari go off track, through the sand pit and right before it hit the tire barrier they put a big black censor bar over the crash...(no, not serious)...

Who hasn't seen a ferrari crash in a race...ok, no hands raised....screw ferrari.

I don't know, GT 5 prologue was terrible and wasn't a racing game at all -- it was all about bumping your way around a track.  That's how you got the fastest times.

Forza games are racing sims.  GT games lean a lot more toward arcade racing.  This isn't really a debatable point.  It's just a fact.

see this is BS, there were games doing damage before gt with licence from maufaturers jerret and labonte stock car racing. and have been afterward. forza. this smacks of double talk used to lie to people when removing features. I always felt J&L stock car was better than GT and never understood why GT took of when J&L didnt. go play the two and you  will see J&L was better much better

I suspect many are going to argue that 'fact' with you, particularly as you don't really back it up with anything concrete.

OT - maybe it's me but the idea of a 'problem' with the game is something specific to the game code - i.e. they're having trouble getting damage physics into their game engine.  Not that they're finding it difficult to neg allowing damage with the car manufacturers.

yes jerret and labonte stock car racing back oon the ps1  edit back in jerret, you could lose tires, and wheels... one time i lost all but one wheel, could never get all 4 off though

edit also forza 2

You can't be serious. GT is a racing sim, what kind of overhaul do you expect? Even if they add damage, it will still be for the most part the "same game" as you put it. The level of tuning options were huge improvements from GT2 > GT3 > GT4, and the tracks also improved. Even with GT5P's online, why in the world would you mention that they've all been the same game. GT has always been a racing sim, so the only way they could improve the series is by providing more options and "realism" with each iteration. Are you hunting for a gimmick?

You're argument is the same as saying "every football game is the same, you kick a ball into the goal... except this year, it's more realistic". 

(Sarcasm) Didn't you mean soccer??  (Crazy europeans )

 @Bolded- Thats what The Gran games do best for each gen. :)

Think about what you just said smartass.

That still wouldn't fix your "problem". GT is a racing sim. People play GT for the racing and gameplay, not for the "progression system". Your definition of "overhaul" is just a gimmick. If you find racing boring and need reason to unlock cars and progress through the game, then you clearly have no clue what you're talking about and are playing the game for the wrong reason. Regardless, with the exception of GT4, I was well satisfied with the game and improvements made from the prior versions.

Changing the "progression" of the game has less meaning than improving graphics (the second biggest aspect of a sim), and yet you think that's supposed to make things "different". What you're asking for is a new gimmick to distract you from actually playing the game.

Come up with a better example to back your argument next time.

As long as PD keeps improving their signature detail to the licenses and improve the gameplay (which I think needs alot of improving), the game would be worthy of new sequel. That's the entire point of a racing sim, to be more realistic with each iteration.

how did he do it, they are so many poligone on this car!!!