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disolitude on 07 November 2008
Bodhesatva said:
disolitude said:
Bodhesatva said:
Xen said:
Fernando said:
Well... the attach ratio and how well the Wii software sells (a lot lot more than the PS3) proves that that is not true.

=p

In fact, if you take into account the attach ratio of the Wii with that huge install base, compared to the PS3 install base and attach rate, a lot more people are playing the Wii than the PS3.

SW: TFU, Madden '09 told me to say hello. PS3 outsells Wii in software even with its smaller userbase.

There may be exceptions, but the PS3 usually outsells the Wii in software... unless the software we're talking about is shovelware. So far, not many quality games sold well on Wii. Compare to PS3... and your statement is stright from dreamland.

 

 

This is factually incorrect, Xen. The Wii sells more software even considering the PS3's install base, not in spite of it: that is, if the Wii and PS3 had exactly identical install bases, the Wii would still have more software sold. The people arguing software sales are correct. The Wii has a better attach rate than the PS3 in America and Japan (and at times Europe, depending on who has just had a big game come out). If the Wii is a machine people only pull out occasionally, why does it sell so much software?

I don't think anyone is arguing Wii sells loads of software. Its the type of software it sells. Mini games...wierd stuff like wii fit...

I think Sega is saying this with that statement...

Subtract wii sports, wii fit, wii play from wiis totals. Those games are somewhat board game like...does wii still sell most software then?

 

 

 

That is fairly clearly not what is being stated, Disolitude: he clearly states that these are pulled out "for Christmas" and I'd presume other holidays.

When in reality it's just now that the PS3/360 are coming to have their fair share of software sales, and the DS/Wii absolutely dominated for the entirety of Summer. Do you remember what the EU looked like throughout the Summer? It wasn't unusual for 18 of the top 20 titles to be on Nintendo formats.

As to the "exclude Sports/Fit/Play" from the total, what is the purpose of that? I don't think anyone argues that the Wii doesn't have a different style of game than the PS3/360. The PS3 and particularly the 360 are shooter-central, while the Wii focuses more on more casual and female friendly titles.

But it smacks of desperation to say, "exclude all of the top selling titles on the system, and what do you have left?"

Yeah...I read the full interview just now. Sorry...

 



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Xen on 07 November 2008
Bodhesatva said:
Xen said:
Bodhesatva said:
Xen said:
Fernando said:
Well... the attach ratio and how well the Wii software sells (a lot lot more than the PS3) proves that that is not true.

=p

In fact, if you take into account the attach ratio of the Wii with that huge install base, compared to the PS3 install base and attach rate, a lot more people are playing the Wii than the PS3.

SW: TFU, Madden '09 told me to say hello. PS3 outsells Wii in software even with its smaller userbase.

There may be exceptions, but the PS3 usually outsells the Wii in software... unless the software we're talking about is shovelware. So far, not many quality games sold well on Wii. Compare to PS3... and your statement is stright from dreamland.

 

 

This is factually incorrect, Xen. The Wii sells more software even considering the PS3's install base, not in spite of it: that is, if the Wii and PS3 had exactly identical install bases, the Wii would still have more software sold. The people arguing software sales are correct. The Wii has a better attach rate than the PS3 in America and Japan (and at times Europe, depending on who has just had a big game come out). If the Wii is a machine people only pull out occasionally, why does it sell so much software?

How is it that VGC numbers disagree with you though? recent numbers, that is. Not '07 ones. And not Mario Kart and Wii"-" numbers. Purely quality third party software.

 

 

Ah ha ha, so this is now a "quality third party" discussion? Please. This is a discussion of software in general, not "Software minus Nintendo software. Also games like Carnival Games. Also no Mario and Sonic." Don't move the goalposts. The question is: "Does the Wii sell software?" The answer is yes, it sells quite a bit, which suggests people aren't letting their Wiis collect dust. If people weren't using their Wiis, why are they buying so much software for it?

VGC reaches the same conclusion that the FRs do: the Wii's attach rate is better than the PS3's.

The number of factors involved if we consider all the games the Wii sells is too much, take for example the huge "extened userbase" the Wii has. ATM, I can't be bothered to discuss it. See you at attach ratios at the end of '09. Comparing the two then would be much more fair.

 



senortaco on 07 November 2008

@Wiistation360 & clerk: I agree with you both.

What people fail to realize is a nice portion of the gamers on the Wii were the same gamers who were on PS2. PS2 was a causal sensation as well. What is happening with the Wii is that it's expanding to what the core of gaming is all about...Kids.

...But back to the article, his statements is the reason why I think, unfairly I may add, The Conduit has to be a blockbuster out the gate. =/



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Lolcislaw on 07 November 2008

Wii has high attach rates, plus it sells a lot of software, also the 3rd party products. More then the PS3.

And at Kotaku they do have their own little "hardcore" world that tries to get at the Wii any time.



Gnizmo on 07 November 2008

Wow that is just sad. I always kinda figured Kotaku had it against the Wii but attcking the system so blatantly is a pretty new low. I normally rail against the "XXXX company hates the WII!!!!!" posts and I really wish I could do it now. That is easily one of the best examples of quoting someone completely out of context to make a different point.



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Avinash_Tyagi on 07 November 2008

Sounds like sour grapes to me, Nintendo just needs to keep on pumping out the Wii games and it will sell like hotcakes for the next 6 to 12 years



 

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sparkit34 on 07 November 2008

Interesting considering Sega makes something like three quarters of its revenue from Nintendo systems.
And considering the Wii's attach rate, people must play a whole lot of Wii at christmas.




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FJ-Warez on 07 November 2008
Xen said:
Bodhesatva said:

 

Ah ha ha, so this is now a "quality third party" discussion? Please. This is a discussion of software in general, not "Software minus Nintendo software. Also games like Carnival Games. Also no Mario and Sonic." Don't move the goalposts. The question is: "Does the Wii sell software?" The answer is yes, it sells quite a bit, which suggests people aren't letting their Wiis collect dust. If people weren't using their Wiis, why are they buying so much software for it?

VGC reaches the same conclusion that the FRs do: the Wii's attach rate is better than the PS3's.

The number of factors involved if we consider all the games the Wii sells is too much, take for example the huge "extened userbase" the Wii has. ATM, I can't be bothered to discuss it. See you at attach ratios at the end of '09. Comparing the two then would be much more fair.

 

Translation: I got busted, I don´t have any proof or anything to backup my statement, the VG numbers are against me, I can´t spin my argument anymore, I give up :P

 



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Bodhesatva on 07 November 2008

I think this discussion has moved too far off base -- let me help refocus it.

Please do not let this devolve in to list wars. No arguments along the lines of, "The Wii doesn't sell software if you don't include Wii Fit / Wii Play / Mario Party / Mario Kart" or any such nonsense. Do not try to argue that the Wii does not sell software, because we have way too much evidence (VGChartz and Financial Reports) that shows beyond a shadow of a doubt that the Wii does indeed sell software.

What you CAN argue, however, is that the Wii sells a different type of software. This is a more defensible position. If people want to say that the style of game that sells on Wii is different than the style of game that sells on the PS3/360, that's definitely arguable.



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Acevil on 07 November 2008
pastro243 said:
Fernando said:
Well... the attach ratio and how well the Wii software sells (a lot lot more than the PS3) proves that that is not true.

=p

In fact, if you take into account the attach ratio of the Wii with that huge install base, compared to the PS3 install base and attach rate, a lot more people are playing the Wii than the PS3.

 

 I think it has something to do with wii sports and wii play, but I wont get in a fight about it

Even without Wii sports attachment is above PS3. Using USA data only.