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ZenfoldorVGI on 01 November 2008
ToastyJaguar said:
i assume the benefits on installing the game make for an overall crisper experience. perhaps having the game load quicker and more silently tricked his mind into believing the game actually looked better.

 

Fable 2 has some really significant technical issues bogging down the game, like Mass Effect. I wouldn't be surprised if an install made the game tremendously more fun to play.



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SamuelRSmith on 01 November 2008
Username2324 said:
SamuelRSmith said:
Can I just point out that this is not totally impossible. I mean, I doubt it myself, but perhaps there is a system where developers can chose exactly what gets installed onto the harddrive... I don't exactly know how this system has been put into place.

Anywho, harddrives provide faster access to content than what a DVD/CD/BD can, anyone who knows about computers knows this. It's why the PS3 has so many mandatory installs, and the 360 is bringing in this feature of optional installs.

Now, lets just say that Fable II had two texture sets, one for when people want to run the game off of the optical media, and one set for people running of the HDD. Running off the HDD is, as previously mentioned, faster, therefore the textures can be of greater size when it comes to streaming them, and moving them to the RAM. Bigger textures = higher quality = nicer graphics.

Now I am not saying that this is what is happening, I do not know whether the NXE allows for this, or whether Microsoft has released libraries for the devs to use which enables this. However, if the NXE did support this, Fable II is very much likely to be one of the first games to support it, as it's a relatively high hyped first party game which was only recently released.

The whole point of load times is to take the information off the disc and into the system, that's why having an install reduces load times, because it can put the info into the system faster than disc. The system bandwidth between the CPU, RAM, and GPU doesn't magically increase. Like you said, the hard drive provides access to the information faster, but it doesn't mean the system will be able to process that information any faster.

The problem with having two texture sets is as follows: It'd be of no use to have a second texture set because if it was higher quality it would just reck the performance of the game. And more importantly, the DVD used for 360 games couldn't accomodate two sets, they'd have to remove other content in the game.

 

 

 Yes, but the amount of data that's able to be transferred to the RAM is heavily increased as it's being read from the HDD, not the optical drive, which is the system's biggest bottleneck. Secondly, the second texture set could be highly compressed, which is then uncompressed during the process of installation.



Skeeuk on 01 November 2008
ZenfoldorVGI said:
Skeeuk said:
lol the guy is blowing smoke, what a stupid article.

the install helps load times and helps reduced texture pop etc because before install it had to constant reading from dvd.

to say the textures, grafix are upgraded, because of installing the game is just a joke.

 

It probably also helps the sluggish menus.


on some games it should increase speed on menues but i dont think that will be noticable. even with all data on hd it will still need to load data, the optional install is a good thing, in a way makes it better than mandotory installs on ps3, the only mandotory installs i agree with r game enhancing ones ike oblivion or mgs4

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SamuelRSmith on 01 November 2008
Skeeuk said:
ZenfoldorVGI said:
Skeeuk said:
lol the guy is blowing smoke, what a stupid article.

the install helps load times and helps reduced texture pop etc because before install it had to constant reading from dvd.

to say the textures, grafix are upgraded, because of installing the game is just a joke.

 

It probably also helps the sluggish menus.

 

on some games it should increase speed on menues but i dont think that will be noticable. even with all data on hd it will still need to load data, the optional install is a good thing, in a way makes it better than mandotory installs on ps3, the only mandotory installs i agree with r game enhancing ones ike oblivion or mgs4

 

 All of the mandatory installs are game enhancing, that's why they're required.



Garnett on 01 November 2008
SamuelRSmith said:
Skeeuk said:
ZenfoldorVGI said:
Skeeuk said:
lol the guy is blowing smoke, what a stupid article.

the install helps load times and helps reduced texture pop etc because before install it had to constant reading from dvd.

to say the textures, grafix are upgraded, because of installing the game is just a joke.

 

It probably also helps the sluggish menus.

 

on some games it should increase speed on menues but i dont think that will be noticable. even with all data on hd it will still need to load data, the optional install is a good thing, in a way makes it better than mandotory installs on ps3, the only mandotory installs i agree with r game enhancing ones ike oblivion or mgs4

 

All of the mandatory installs are game enhancing, that's why they're required.

 

No,there mandatory because the PS3 blue ray disc drive is so SLOW,thats the main reason why 360 didnt include HD-DVD cause they can have a DVD and no HDD install therefore making there console cheaper....



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SamuelRSmith on 01 November 2008
Garnett said:
SamuelRSmith said:
Skeeuk said:
ZenfoldorVGI said:
Skeeuk said:
lol the guy is blowing smoke, what a stupid article.

the install helps load times and helps reduced texture pop etc because before install it had to constant reading from dvd.

to say the textures, grafix are upgraded, because of installing the game is just a joke.

 

It probably also helps the sluggish menus.

 

on some games it should increase speed on menues but i dont think that will be noticable. even with all data on hd it will still need to load data, the optional install is a good thing, in a way makes it better than mandotory installs on ps3, the only mandotory installs i agree with r game enhancing ones ike oblivion or mgs4

 

All of the mandatory installs are game enhancing, that's why they're required.

 

No,there mandatory because the PS3 blue ray disc drive is so SLOW,thats the main reason why 360 didnt include HD-DVD cause they can have a DVD and no HDD install therefore making there console cheaper....

 

 You think I don't know that? That's what I meant by my post. If none of those games had the mandatory installs, they would be of a much lower quality.

Anyways, that factor probably had very little to do with Microsoft's decision not to include HD-DVD. The main factor behind that is that they want to push their file formats as the way forward with digital distribution, in which they can earn teh $$$s through royalties.

And what's with the ellipses? It makes it look like you were cut short, and you actually had a decent point to make afterwards.



Garnett on 02 November 2008
SamuelRSmith said:
Garnett said:
SamuelRSmith said:
Skeeuk said:
ZenfoldorVGI said:
Skeeuk said:
lol the guy is blowing smoke, what a stupid article.

the install helps load times and helps reduced texture pop etc because before install it had to constant reading from dvd.

to say the textures, grafix are upgraded, because of installing the game is just a joke.

 

It probably also helps the sluggish menus.

 

on some games it should increase speed on menues but i dont think that will be noticable. even with all data on hd it will still need to load data, the optional install is a good thing, in a way makes it better than mandotory installs on ps3, the only mandotory installs i agree with r game enhancing ones ike oblivion or mgs4

 

All of the mandatory installs are game enhancing, that's why they're required.

 

No,there mandatory because the PS3 blue ray disc drive is so SLOW,thats the main reason why 360 didnt include HD-DVD cause they can have a DVD and no HDD install therefore making there console cheaper....

 

You think I don't know that? That's what I meant by my post. If none of those games had the mandatory installs, they would be of a much lower quality.

Anyways, that factor probably had very little to do with Microsoft's decision not to include HD-DVD. The main factor behind that is that they want to push their file formats as the way forward with digital distribution, in which they can earn teh $$$s through royalties.

And what's with the ellipses? It makes it look like you were cut short, and you actually had a decent point to make afterwards.

Oh well sorry,i didnt think you knew that BR is slow atm,I didnt want to keep rambling on and on but...

 

Since 360 has no HD-DVD,There are no mandatory HDD installs,therefore they realsed the console with no HDD,That means the already cheap console can get cheaper,while the PS3 stays at 400$ the 360 is at 200$ for casuals who dont play games online alot and they can get it for christmas and birthdays...(Even tho i find PS3 is a better deal)

That right there is the main reason why 360 dosent have an HD disc format built in,But that could come back to haunt them if Sony makes a PS3 with advanced Blue Ray disc reader,that requires no Mandatory HDD installs...

 



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toastboy44562 on 02 November 2008

I will download gears 2 to find out...



Comrade Tovya on 02 November 2008
Skeeuk said:
lol the guy is blowing smoke, what a stupid article.

the install helps load times and helps reduced texture pop etc because before install it had to constant reading from dvd.

to say the textures, grafix are upgraded, because of installing the game is just a joke.

I don't think he was saying that the graphics are somehow "upgraded" because it resides on the HDD now, but rather that because it's not having to access the data from the DVD-drive, and instead from the faster access timed HDD, it technically looks better because of quicker refresh rates?

I could be off base, but I'm pretty sure that's what he meant... and technically speaking, it probablly could and does give that effect.  It's not miraculous by any means, but technically an upgrade none-the-less.

It's kind of like having a car with a spark plug not working.  If you replace the spark plug, your car technically wasn't upgraded, but instead works the natural way it's supposed to... hence, faster & more efficient peformance.

 



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Passenger57 on 02 November 2008

It probably runs smoother, witch could make the game appear to have better graphics