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S.T.A.G.E. on 24 October 2008
ZenfoldorVGI said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
ZenfoldorVGI said:
fayewong said:

My god, Words of Wisdom is right. You guys should remove Left 4 Dead. It also comes out on the PC too... i just found out -1 exclusive game. That leaves 4 games. 3 of them being exclusive.

So by what S.T.A.G.E. says, only exclusive games. That leaves only 3 good 360 games. The Last Remnant don't count.

 

Well, if we're talking about good games, Socom doesn't count either.

Also, why doesn't TLR count?

Finally, where does it say exclusive. We're talking about holiday lineups here. Not exclusive games. If we're talking about lineups, but can't list games that are also on the PC, then the PC lineup can't list games that are also on the consoles, leaving it with World of Warcraft.

What the truth is, is this. You can't clearly win with a fair count, so you're trying to change the parameters and exclude games so you can win. Have fun with Motostorm and Socom, bff.

 

Yes friend, but Holiday lineups boast exclusives, since the whole topic was Sony's lineup was supposedly stronger.

 

No, a holiday lineup for a console is this:

The games appearing on a console, this holiday.

If the Wii were in this discussion, I guarntee we'd be including all the multiplats. The reason we're not is this is obviously a PS3 vs 360 console discussion, or at least it has evolved into one, and listing multiplats for both consoles is redundant.

The holiday lineup for the Xbox 360 includes the game Left 4 Dead.

The holiday lineup for the PS3 does not include that game.

Thus, it is listed, as it is a major advantage the 360 has over the PS3 in this holiday's release schedule. End of story.

 

You know full well that when someone says Sony has the strongest lineup this holiday season they are saying better than the 360, because the Wii stands alone. So basically you're agreeing with him that Bioshock is in the lineup then. Awesome, now I can take you both on. I still say Bioshock doesn't count because the 360 already has it. :)



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ZenfoldorVGI on 24 October 2008
Jo21 said:

hahahahaha!

after playing LBP and RE2 beta

ps3 have better line up over all, even if they counter those 2 with gear 2 and fable2

there is white knight chronicles, valkyria chroncles, naruto etc

 

When does WKC come out?

Also, that's your opinion, not the truth. Why the passive agressive "hahahaha!"?



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It feeds the rich while it buries the poor.
You're power hungry, spinnin' stories, and bein' graphics whores.
I don't need your console war.

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ZenfoldorVGI on 24 October 2008
S.T.A.G.E. said:

 

You know full well that when someone says Sony has the strongest lineup this holiday season they are saying better than the 360, because the Wii stands alone. So basically you're agreeing with him that Bioshock is in the lineup then. Awesome, now I can take you both on. I still say Bioshock doesn't count because the 360 already has it. :)

 

I never said my feelings on that one way or another, but I'm leaning towards it counting. I refuse to let my preferences determine my opinions. That said, imo, for me, Motostorm and Socom might as well not exist, lol.



I don't need your console war.
It feeds the rich while it buries the poor.
You're power hungry, spinnin' stories, and bein' graphics whores.
I don't need your console war.

NO NO, NO NO NO.

S.T.A.G.E. on 24 October 2008
ZenfoldorVGI said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

 

You know full well that when someone says Sony has the strongest lineup this holiday season they are saying better than the 360, because the Wii stands alone. So basically you're agreeing with him that Bioshock is in the lineup then. Awesome, now I can take you both on. I still say Bioshock doesn't count because the 360 already has it. :)

 

I never said my feelings on that one way or another, but I'm leaning towards it counting. I refuse to let my preferences determine my opinions. That said, imo, for me, Motostorm and Socom might as well not exist, lol.

 

Motorstorm wont sell as well as it did when it was bundled, but it still is a high rated PS3 exclusive title. Socom on the other hand well LOL. Fayewong added Bioshock to the exclusives lineup list he made and not the multiplatform. This is it:

 

"PS3:

1. LittleBigplanet

2. Resistance 2

3. Motor Storm: Pacific Rift

4. Socom: US Navy Seals Confrontation

5. Valkyria Chronicles

6. Naruto: Ultimate Ninja Storm

7. Bioshock (not exclusive but still coming out this season)

8. White Knight Chronicles  (Japan)

 

Xbox 360:

1. Fable 2

2. Gears of War 2

3.  Banjo Kazooie: Nuts and Bolts

4. The Last Remnant (timed Exclusive)

5. Left 4 Dead

 

Multiplatform:

1. Mirror's Edge

2. Call of Duty: World at War

3. Prince of Persia

4. Guitar Hero: World Tour"

Get my point? He put a multiplatform game in the exclusives list to make the PS3 section look hotter and more desirable.



shio on 24 October 2008
ZenfoldorVGI said:

The deal here is obvious. PC games have a higher potential, but they do require more effort. Mouse/Keyboard vs controller, is apples and oranges. PC has user-updates and better graphics. Now, most people don't have a setup capable of playing Huxley how they want to, on their HDTVs with their controllers. It might be the best version of the game("100%" is an asspulled statistic) but it might not be the best option for most people. Fallout 3, for instance, for the 360, has exclusive DLC. PC versions of games aren't always defaultly 100% better. Sometimes they are just different. Convincing yourself that your specific brand of different is always better, is the main reason we have some many fanboys running around here.

Sorry but Mouse/Keyboard combo is by far better than a gamepad for FPS. Anyone interested in frenetic gameplay MUST play it on PC, L4D especially where you will be attacked by hordes of zombies, wave after wave.... and I don't want to play that at 50% slower on a console. I want a fulfilled satisfaction of making a headshot on my own, without the use of auto-aim.

And Fallout 3's DLC is also coming to PC, but I understand that not all PC versions are better than it's console versions.

ZenfoldorVGI said:

The PC touting is something a lot of PS3 fans like to pull out of their ass when comparing multiplats. Don't be a puppet, just because they're supporting your arguments to manipulate their fanboy arguments and marginalize a superior version of a game...like the the Fallout 3 debacle.

I merely said that the PC version of L4D is going to be better on PC than Xbox 360. I was not making any generalized statement. Infact, I'll say right now that Xbox 360 has indeed a better holiday lineup than PS3.

ZenfoldorVGI said:

Did you know that Fallout 3 has worse frame-rate and more popins on the PS3, than the 360. On top of that, the 360 verion also has achievements, exclusive DLC, and custom soundtracks? Once that was revealed by Playstation Magazine, you know what PS3 fanboys became? PC fanboys. Suddenly, it didn't matter how bad the PS3 version was, because the PC version is the best potentially, anyway. It's the same thing here. They are trying to marginalize L4D because it also appears on PC, but watch it. If they do that, then the next PC arguement you're in, they will marginalize your PC games because they are also on the 360. It's a 2 way street.

I know I "attacked" some people of the Xbox Exclusives thread because they had listed Left 4 Dead as a 360 exclusive, but that's because it's complete idiocy since L4D is NOT exclusive (coming to PC), and saying it's an exclusive is disrespectful to the PC as a gaming platform and to PC gamers.

You are right that L4D deserves to be put in the 360's lineup since we are not talking about exclusives, but holiday lineups. And L4D is another game that serves the purpose of comparing against other lineups.

ZenfoldorVGI said:

Marginalize L4D in this topic, and every multiplat the PC enjoys, ceases to count. The PC lineup this Xmas would consist of the WoW expansion. Don't fall for people pretending to be on your side to further their own ignorant fanboy agenda.

Huh? PC has an Incredibly Strong Lineup this Holiday. Here's the most notables:

Battlefield Heroes
Command & Conquer: Red Alert 3
Cryostasis: Sleep of Reason
FIFA Manager 09
Galactic Civilizations II: Endless Universe
Grand Theft Auto IV
Jumpgate Evolution
Left 4 Dead
The Lord of the Rings Online: Mines of Moria
Mata Hari
Neverwinter Nights 2: Storm of Zehir
Perimeter 2: New Earth
Quake Live
Sacred 2: Fallen Angel
Sins of a Solar Empire: Entrenchment
Still Life 2
A Vampyre Story
World of Warcraft: Wrath of the Lich King
Zeno Clash

Ofcourse that's not all games, but it gives a good look at why PC has the best holiday lineup.

 

 

 

 

 

 



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S.T.A.G.E. on 24 October 2008
shio said:
ZenfoldorVGI said:

The deal here is obvious. PC games have a higher potential, but they do require more effort. Mouse/Keyboard vs controller, is apples and oranges. PC has user-updates and better graphics. Now, most people don't have a setup capable of playing Huxley how they want to, on their HDTVs with their controllers. It might be the best version of the game("100%" is an asspulled statistic) but it might not be the best option for most people. Fallout 3, for instance, for the 360, has exclusive DLC. PC versions of games aren't always defaultly 100% better. Sometimes they are just different. Convincing yourself that your specific brand of different is always better, is the main reason we have some many fanboys running around here.

Sorry but Mouse/Keyboard combo is by far better than a gamepad for FPS. Anyone interested in frenetic gameplay MUST play it on PC, L4D especially where you will be attacked by hordes of zombies, wave after wave.... and I don't want to play that at 50% slower on a console. I want a fulfilled satisfaction of making a headshot on my own, without the use of auto-aim.

And Fallout 3's DLC is also coming to PC, but I understand that not all PC versions are better than it's console versions.

ZenfoldorVGI said:

The PC touting is something a lot of PS3 fans like to pull out of their ass when comparing multiplats. Don't be a puppet, just because they're supporting your arguments to manipulate their fanboy arguments and marginalize a superior version of a game...like the the Fallout 3 debacle.

I merely said that the PC version of L4D is going to be better on PC than Xbox 360. I was not making any generalized statement. Infact, I'll say right now that Xbox 360 has indeed a better holiday lineup than PS3.

ZenfoldorVGI said:

Did you know that Fallout 3 has worse frame-rate and more popins on the PS3, than the 360. On top of that, the 360 verion also has achievements, exclusive DLC, and custom soundtracks? Once that was revealed by Playstation Magazine, you know what PS3 fanboys became? PC fanboys. Suddenly, it didn't matter how bad the PS3 version was, because the PC version is the best potentially, anyway. It's the same thing here. They are trying to marginalize L4D because it also appears on PC, but watch it. If they do that, then the next PC arguement you're in, they will marginalize your PC games because they are also on the 360. It's a 2 way street.

I know I "attacked" some people of the Xbox Exclusives thread because they had listed Left 4 Dead as a 360 exclusive, but that's because it's complete idiocy since L4D is NOT exclusive (coming to PC), and saying it's an exclusive is disrespectful to the PC as a gaming platform and to PC gamers.

You are right that L4D deserves to be put in the 360's lineup since we are not talking about exclusives, but holiday lineups. And L4D is another game that serves the purpose of comparing against other lineups.

ZenfoldorVGI said:

Marginalize L4D in this topic, and every multiplat the PC enjoys, ceases to count. The PC lineup this Xmas would consist of the WoW expansion. Don't fall for people pretending to be on your side to further their own ignorant fanboy agenda.

Huh? PC has an Incredibly Strong Lineup this Holiday. Here's the most notables:

Battlefield Heroes
Command & Conquer: Red Alert 3
Cryostasis: Sleep of Reason
FIFA Manager 09
Galactic Civilizations II: Endless Universe
Grand Theft Auto IV
Jumpgate Evolution
Left 4 Dead
The Lord of the Rings Online: Mines of Moria
Mata Hari
Neverwinter Nights 2: Storm of Zehir
Perimeter 2: New Earth
Quake Live
Sacred 2: Fallen Angel
Sins of a Solar Empire: Entrenchment
Still Life 2
A Vampyre Story
World of Warcraft: Wrath of the Lich King
Zeno Clash

Ofcourse that's not all games, but it gives a good look at why PC has the best holiday lineup.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 The money is in the consoles. PC games don't have anyone to go up against. They stand alone because they aren't a console. Console War=Big dollars



Paul_Warren on 24 October 2008

Yeah, but who has $2000.00 every six months to go out and buy a new PC that runs all the PC games at their highest possible settings? I guess now that the 360 is losing it bigger than Corbin ( I have to admit I was expecting higher than the now anticipated 85 Metacritic score for Gears 2), you guys are trying to put down the PS3 by comparing it to PCs. The Golden Age of PC games was over 15 years ago, there is no originality in PC gaming just shooters, flight sims, and mmo's that are all strive to copy each other and the same old properties. Surely the world has had enough of The Lord of the Rings and Star Trek. Really, the only interesting game on that entire list to me is A Vampyre's Story.



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shio on 24 October 2008
Paul_Warren said:

Yeah, but who has $2000.00 every six months to go out and buy a new PC that runs all the PC games at their highest possible settings? I guess now that the 360 is losing it bigger than Corbin ( I have to admit I was expecting higher than the now anticipated 85 Metacritic score for Gears 2), you guys are trying to put down the PS3 by comparing it to PCs.

This post is so much BS.

There aren't $2000 PCs being sold anymore since PCs have drastically dropped on price. For just $500 you can get a full-fledged gaming PC that will play games far better than either Xbox 360 or PS3. And since PC games are much cheaper (you will save on average $20 on each game) by the end of the cycle you would've saved enough to make PC gaming cheaper than PS360 gaming.

 

Paul_Warren said:

The Golden Age of PC games was over 15 years ago, there is no originality in PC gaming just shooters, flight sims, and mmo's that are all strive to copy each other and the same old properties. Surely the world has had enough of The Lord of the Rings and Star Trek. Really, the only interesting game on that entire list to me is A Vampyre's Story.

It's funny, in the 19 PC listed only 8 were Shooter/Flight Sim/MMO, not even the majority.

Then I looked at S.T.A.G.E.'s PS360 list and out of 13 games he listed 9 were Shooter/RPG, nearly all of them !!! So tell me which lineup is more varied?



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Kantor on 24 October 2008
ZenfoldorVGI said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
ZenfoldorVGI said:
fayewong said:

My god, Words of Wisdom is right. You guys should remove Left 4 Dead. It also comes out on the PC too... i just found out -1 exclusive game. That leaves 4 games. 3 of them being exclusive.

So by what S.T.A.G.E. says, only exclusive games. That leaves only 3 good 360 games. The Last Remnant don't count.

 

Well, if we're talking about good games, Socom doesn't count either.

Also, why doesn't TLR count?

Finally, where does it say exclusive. We're talking about holiday lineups here. Not exclusive games. If we're talking about lineups, but can't list games that are also on the PC, then the PC lineup can't list games that are also on the consoles, leaving it with World of Warcraft.

What the truth is, is this. You can't clearly win with a fair count, so you're trying to change the parameters and exclude games so you can win. Have fun with Motostorm and Socom, bff.

 

Yes friend, but Holiday lineups boast exclusives, since the whole topic was Sony's lineup was supposedly stronger.

 

No, a holiday lineup for a console is this:

The games appearing on a console, this holiday.

If the Wii were in this discussion, I guarntee we'd be including all the multiplats. The reason we're not is this is obviously a PS3 vs 360 console discussion, or at least it has evolved into one, and listing multiplats for both consoles is redundant.

The holiday lineup for the Xbox 360 includes the game Left 4 Dead.

The holiday lineup for the PS3 does not include that game.

Thus, it is listed, as it is a major advantage the 360 has over the PS3 in this holiday's release schedule. End of story.

Why do all 360 owners love this with no basis whatsoever? For all we know it could turn into Army of Four.

 



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S.T.A.G.E. on 24 October 2008
shio said:
Paul_Warren said:

Yeah, but who has $2000.00 every six months to go out and buy a new PC that runs all the PC games at their highest possible settings? I guess now that the 360 is losing it bigger than Corbin ( I have to admit I was expecting higher than the now anticipated 85 Metacritic score for Gears 2), you guys are trying to put down the PS3 by comparing it to PCs.

This post is so much BS.

There aren't $2000 PCs being sold anymore since PCs have drastically dropped on price. For just $500 you can get a full-fledged gaming PC that will play games far better than either Xbox 360 or PS3. And since PC games are much cheaper (you will save on average $20 on each game) by the end of the cycle you would've saved enough to make PC gaming cheaper than PS360 gaming.

 

Paul_Warren said:

The Golden Age of PC games was over 15 years ago, there is no originality in PC gaming just shooters, flight sims, and mmo's that are all strive to copy each other and the same old properties. Surely the world has had enough of The Lord of the Rings and Star Trek. Really, the only interesting game on that entire list to me is A Vampyre's Story.

It's funny, in the 19 PC listed only 8 were Shooter/Flight Sim/MMO, not even the majority.

Then I looked at S.T.A.G.E.'s PS360 list and out of 13 games he listed 9 were Shooter/RPG, nearly all of them !!! So tell me which lineup is more varied?

 

The hottest games this year are Shooter/RPGs. Thats quite obvious. Do you know the reason? Because alot of FPS fans who used to play solely on PC are playing on consoles now along with console owners.