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BenKenobi88 on 23 July 2007

And it's not all about games either. Upgrading my PC means faster everything, and that's definitely a big reason for upgrading. Being able to have more processes and applications open at once, handling dual monitors with craploads of stuff going on at once...definitely a plus.

EDIT:  Yeah...I'm not a pro gamer or anything...I just like PC gaming...it's not that impossible...

And yeah, Kwaad, you paid too much for your case.  Cases aren't important...you learn to go cheap on cases, although definitely not cheap on power supplies...you can buy cheap fans for your case, you can't screw up your power supply unless you like living on the wild side...



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akuma587 on 23 July 2007

I am not faulting any of you for liking PC games in the least. There are a lot of games that I think should be run on the PC over the console. I am only faulting the people who are saying that the cost that it requires to keep a PC up to date in order to play the best looking games is not so excessive that for 95% of people they are better off getting a PS3/360.

If you want to stay a generation or so behind on PC technology, that is fine. That is what I would do if I PC gamed. It is the most cost effective way to do it. Just don't act like it is cheap to maintain a PC that can play all of the newest games. That is the point some of us are trying to make.



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It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

akuma587 on 23 July 2007

On the Wii price argument, the gap in graphical/computing power between the 360/PS3 and the Wii is greater than the gap between the 360/PS3 and the PC. Likewise, the gap between the Wii and the 360/PS3 price wise (about $150 and $250 respectively), is less than the gap between a PC that will last for 3-4 years tolerably well (about $1100 and $1000 respectively assuming the cost of controllers, etc. is equal to the cost of additional peripheral and such added to the PC).

Of course the PC can do more than just play games, but you can get a low end PC that can do most of those things for $300-$500. To each his own when it comes to his gaming pleasure, but some of the arguments people have been using just don't hold water. I think we have argued about this enough.


So did you guys hear what Phil Harrison said at E3? Lair takes up 25 GIGS of space on a Blu-Ray disc. That is impressive in and of itself. I haven't been this psyched about a game in quite some time.



We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls.  The only thing that really worried me was the ether.  There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke

It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

Bodhesatva on 23 July 2007
akuma587 said:
I am not faulting any of you for liking PC games in the least. There are a lot of games that I think should be run on the PC over the console. I am only faulting the people who are saying that the cost that it requires to keep a PC up to date in order to play the best looking games is not so excessive that for 95% of people they are better off getting a PS3/360.


Again, lots of people could clearly say the same about the PS3. They'd rather not spend the extra cash and simply get a Wii (or even a PS2, as that also continues to sell very well). 

It's cool if you personally fall in to the PS3 part of the spectrum, Akuma. If that's your preference, great. Just don't argue that PC owners are graphics nerds who spend way too much money to get top end graphics while simultaneously arguing that Wii fans are cheap, softcore gamers who don't understand what next gen gaming is about (this isn't actually specifically aimed at you, but generally at several PS3 fans who use these arguments). 

It reminds me of an old axiom: have you ever noticed that many people, while driving, tend to think that anyone going faster than them is a crazy, uncontrolled lunatic, while anyone driving more slowly is an annoying old fogey? That's how this argument strikes me. If the PS3 is the perfect speed for you, super, but don't insist that anyone who drives faster is crazy or that anyone who drives more slowly is behind the times. 



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super_etecoon on 23 July 2007

Excellent analogy Bodhe. Isn't it wonderful that we have so many platforms to game on. And that each offers such a varied experience. Hardcore, softcore, casual, fanatic, there's a place for you somewhere in the console (and PC) wars of 2007-2011.



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Kwaad on 23 July 2007
your mother said:
Kwaad said:
akuma587 said:

Because EVERYONE I know who is serious about computer gaming completely retools their computer at least every 2 years. If you keep yourself behind a generation or two on PC games to save costs, then you sacrifice the PC's main advantage, cutting edge graphics, etc. I don't even see the point you guys are trying to make anymore.


Exactly my point. Just becuase you can run a next gen game, dosent mean it looks great, that's why I'm saying, you can buy a PS3 today for 500$. And it will run games that look as good (if not better) than Crysis by the end of it's life, and the point on that is, from what I have read about Crysis I'm not sure a 2000$ computer built today could run it at 100%.

EDIT: The more extreme to power your computer can do, the more extreme everything else *has* to be. I had a old computer that cost me 950$, and I went cheap on the case/Power Supply. I replaced the Powersupply 3 times, and becuase of the case, I had to leave the side off of the case, which in the long run fryed my motherboard after 3 years. This time I spent almost the exact same on hardware, just 130$ on my case and 90$ on my Power Supply. That's 220$ just on the casing!


Experienced systems builders would ever skimp on the power supply.

And 130$for a case? Even a fully aluminum case primed for watercooling in the vein of the 3DAurora costs less than 100$. you must find better sources from where to purchase your wares - that, or be more thorough on your research.

Anyhow, akuma587, that may be the case (I admit as much - I upgrade at least once a year, sometimes more frequently, but that's just because I love gadgets and it's my only hobby so I can afford to spend on this), but I don't think BenKenobi88 is in it for serious gaming. He's in it for gaming, period. And if you look at it that way, being able to be productive on a PC and game at the same time, all for the ballpark figure of 500$, isn't all that bad. In that regard, a PC is very cost-effective. It can last you a few years - and what's more, for many, it can actually make you money!

I just landed a freelance contract worth 1200$ with my PC that coincidentally allows me to game as well. I think that's not too shabby for a "jack-of-all-trades, master of none" machine. But that's just me.


Actually when I got my case that is how much it was. And the case you list for 120$ isnt as good as mine, which is the same as the one I linked to in the build. (30$ cheaper than the one you list) So no, I didnt over-pay. My brother got a 400$ case, and most of my buddies have cases worth between 100-250$.

I dont know where you get your stuff from, but I've never dealt with online stores half as good as NewEgg. So they do cost a little more, but I tend to stick with them. If it dont work, no questions asked.

(I've been scammed, had credit cards stolen, and many other un-plesant problems going to... slightly cheaper websites)

Here's a good scam site.

Never would think it's a scam, go look at the consumer reports and everything. Seems legit! I assure you, you order that camera, they will say some bullshit problem happend, and make you call them. After talking to you for 2 hours, conning you into buying the charger, and a lens. When you get the bill you relaize they hit you with a 1500$ bill, on a grey-market camera, lens, and charger. (and battery becuase it dont come with the camera)

EDIT: Everything but the camera costs ~3x what they are worth. The battery for 180$ is crazy, I can get one for 80$. The remote control transmitter for 80? I can get it for 20. (These prices I say I can get it at, are MSRP)

EDIT2: Hell they even have a PS3 there for 999.99!

EDIT3: WOW! These guys... Are selling the camera for 399.99 So they say. It's funny they are willing to loose ~400$ per camera sold, as they cost ~800$ to retailers... Perfect 5star rating at that site too!



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Bodhesatva on 23 July 2007




So did you guys hear what Phil Harrison said at E3? Lair takes up 25 GIGS of space on a Blu-Ray disc. That is impressive in and of itself. I haven't been this psyched about a game in quite some time.

 I think Lair is the prettiest next generation game I've seen thus far, personally. 



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your mother on 23 July 2007
Kwaad said:
 

Actually when I got my case that is how much it was. And the case you list for 120$ isnt as good as mine, which is the same as the one I linked to in the build. (30$ cheaper than the one you list) So no, I didnt over-pay. My brother got a 400$ case, and most of my buddies have cases worth between 100-250$.

I dont know where you get your stuff from, but I've never dealt with online stores half as good as NewEgg. So they do cost a little more, but I tend to stick with them. If it dont work, no questions asked.

(I've been scammed, had credit cards stolen, and many other un-plesant problems going to... slightly cheaper websites)

Here's a good scam site.

Never would think it's a scam, go look at the consumer reports and everything. Seems legit! I assure you, you order that camera, they will say some bullshit problem happend, and make you call them. After talking to you for 2 hours, conning you into buying the charger, and a lens. When you get the bill you relaize they hit you with a 1500$ bill, on a grey-market camera, lens, and charger. (and battery becuase it dont come with the camera)

EDIT: Everything but the camera costs ~3x what they are worth. The battery for 180$ is crazy, I can get one for 80$. The remote control transmitter for 80? I can get it for 20. (These prices I say I can get it at, are MSRP)

EDIT2: Hell they even have a PS3 there for 999.99!

I didn't list the case as 120$ - it costs less than 100$ - and whether it's better or not, well...

But instead of answering my questions, you come and mention scam sites?



IllegalPaladin on 23 July 2007

My aluminum case cost me $120, but that was two years ago. It's like $50 now.



ckmlb on 23 July 2007
Bodhesatva said:
ckmlb said:
I expect this to be the best looking game on console since Gears of War.

I actually think it looks better than Gears of War.


I disagree, but it is done on a much larger scale which takes a lot more work and effort. Gears was always on a small scale battlefield, this one because of the nature of the game is done over huge masses of land and sea. There is no other game this generation that looks this good and is being done at this scale so far.



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