I think what you have to understand coolest, is that games age, technology advances, pinpoint perfection gets closer and closer to reality on home consoles and everything beyond the last 5 years is out dated.

But you do have a point though, some games aren't timeless, for example golden eye, so they shouldn't be ranked as such (many people put it in their top 20 all time greatest games list).

But I think you're wrong with OoT, it's only boring because we've played it again and again over the last 10 years under different names (some not even called Legend of Zelda). But you can't fault the gameplay as much as you can fault it graphical or in terms of story depth. But you're entitled to your opinion, so you're not technically wrong (I just think you are).

So I think judging older games overall is flawed, the only thing you can really critique them on is gameplay, and OoT, Super Mario 64, Tetris and Half-life are as tight as they come, you can't fault any of their fundamental gameplay.

BAM! You nailed it so hard it came out the other side. I tried playing golden eye and i just cannot wrap my head around the controls. one part lets you walk forward or backward and aim left or right, the other lets you walk left or right and aim up or down. WTF!? When your controls are focus around the movement of the body and the angle of the camera, then those become the logical group for buttons, one set controls left right forward backward movement of the body and the other controls the movement of the camera, yet with the 8 or so different control options that Goldeneye had for its controls, this wasn't one of them.

I am so glad that I got Turok and not Goldeneye during my N64 years cause that would have compounded my FPS hatred even more. I can STILL go back and play Turok, whether on the actual N64, or as a Rom using the PS2 controller (there's absolutely no issues mapping turok controls to dual analog) I still don't understand how Goldeneye qualifies for best FPS of the N64.

I sat down with my N64 a few weeks ago and took a shot at Golden Eye 007, Ocarina of Time and Super Mario 64 and I really don't understand the critical acclaim. I approach every game and console with an open mind but the control and camera issues that plagued many 5th generation games also hampered my enjoyment of the N64. I skipped the 5th console generation and instead opted for classic and PC gaming and I never regretted it.

I will support that demon!

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I saw the title and the poster and for some unkown reason i knew that he was going to say something like that

how dare you badmiuth the game that started multiplayer first person shooter bonaZAS

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Eh?

Touche. I never got familiar with the Turok control scheme (couldn't stand it), so I never realized Goldeneye emulated it. My bad.

Oh, snap. If that's true, I'll take back every word I said abotu Golden eye. I thought i checked out every single one of those control styles and none of them seemed to do what you're talking about at all. I'll check that out right now.

Dang, I just checked it out, Rol's totally right on this. How the heck did I miss this control scheme? In my defense, when they labeled it, the only difference between 1.1 controls and 1.2 controls switched the the analog stick and the c buttons being labeled as "look" and "move" It gave no indication that 1.2 changed how you move as well.

Jesus Christ, thank God someone said it. I was about to start beating my keyboard over my head.

I was reading the responses and I was in shock that so many people didn't even know they could change their controls. Ridiculous.

Speaking of controls and FPS games (rant time), they all suck shit these days. It's very difficult to land headshots in the heat of battle, and I find myself moving the cursour either too far left, or too far right when trying to zero in on my opponent. The movements are far too stiff.

And another thing: AUTO AIM IS ALWAYS FUCKING TURNED ON BY DEFAULT. I wonder, do all modern day FPS "guru's" think they're good? That they have the GAME assisting them to win? That they're totally ownage because the cursour automatically aims into their opponent? It's total BS. Auto-aim off, and 1.2 controls with an N64 controller couldn't be called anything other than perfect.

Granted, people these days will have trouble adjusting to the ultra-sensitive N64 analog stick... they'd probably have no finesse in their movements and claim the stick is awful due to their own incompetence.

The ONE downside the the N64 controller was that the stick would die relatively fast. It would only last 1-2 years if you weren't careful. If you weren't a stick mashing psycho though, it could go for 3 pretty decently.

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I feel like a bitter old man at age 20...