wow the gap in NA has never been bigger than it is now even though the ps3 was eating away at it so many weeks this year, but the problem was it was a very small amount, and now it's getting beat by a significant amount.

Wow the 360 is going to crush the ps3 this holiday!

I don't see the point in arguing about the Cell, or the power of PS3 in general.

First of all, what's the point of having such a powerful and expensive CPU if it takes 3+ years for it to even begin to showing a slight increase in power over the 360? Killzone 2 and Resistance 2 look good, but nothing that can't be done on the 360, games look better than those two. I'm sure maybe in year 4 of PS3 games will start to look a little better, but the difference is going to be so marginal that the average person won't be able to tell the difference.

Who cares if the PS3 can push a few more polygons ,textures, and lighting effects than 360? I can assure you that those minor improvements will not make a game better. Even if the graphics are slightly downgraded later on, I will still have the same exact experience on xbox that I will on PS3.

Anyway....

Looks to me that the PS3 will take, at the very least, 2 more years to pass the 360 provided it pulls some amazing sales. By that point the generation will be coming to a close and better sales aren't going to net any more games for the platform.

Until PS3 is Mass Market price (Sub 299 or even sub 250) The full potential of sales will not be shown. PS3 is Still ONLY being bought by the Hardcore. 360 is half the price (see arcade) so its Sales potential is being realised. Despite this fact, PS3 sales are still keeping up with 360(for the most part of 2008 outselling 360 ). 360 is also on a sales Spike due to recent price cut (will it last?) PS3 Is not on a Spike atm.

@ ultimate_123

Final Fantasy a 360 exclusive? Who told you that?

FFXIII is a PS3 exclusive for Japan, the PS3 is the lead platform and the title will be ported to the 360 with sacrifices.

With regard to big PS2 sequels, the list goes on and on. Look it up on the internet. Personally for me a big sequel is God of War 3 (I bought the first two PS2 games for my PS3, in addition I will buy the new Ape Escape game being developed right now, as you can see in my games list I bought Ape Escape 2 and 3 for my PS3 as well).

johnsobas said: wow the gap in NA has never been bigger than it is now even though the ps3 was eating away at it so many weeks this year, but the problem was it was a very small amount, and now it's getting beat by a significant amount.

According to NPD's US and Canada figures, the PS3 is still ahead with regard to YDT figures. We will have to wait and see what happens this holiday season, sales then are usually bigger than for the rest of the year combined.

 

ultimate_123 said: MikeB said: @ selnor Of course there will be new games for the 360, but looking at this from the big perspective, it's likely Halo 3 had a much bigger effect on hardware sales than a Halo 4 would have for the 360. The bulk of hardcore Halo fans already own one or more 360s, Halo 4 needs to be really amazing (unlike Halo 3, which may have dampened some people's expectations for another sequel) to draw in many new 360 owners. Apart from Fable 2 all important XBox sequels have been released to lure XBox owners towards the 360, Microsoft needs to try a lof of new stuff. I don't think their games development teams are as powerful and creative as Sony's or even Nintendo's small skilled team. I have no real doubt the 360 will end a distant 3rd this generation.    OK then after GT 5 what other big franchise does PS3 have? Ofcourse it'll have KZ 2 and Resistance 2 for now but they, like you said about the 360 are not tried and tested franchises. Final Fantasy is a 360 exclusive so you cannnot really count that in. So apart from GT 5 what else does Sony have? Ofcourse it will get new games but you know.

Tekken is a tried and tested franchise and a Big 1.

NPD is not to be truted

@ ph4nt

The PS3 hasn't been on the market for 2 years yet, many people argee with me advantages have already been clearly shown in PS3 exclusives. Resistance 2 will be available 2 years after the PS3's North American launch, Killzone 2 will be available 2 years after the European PS3 launch. Those are two very eye catching games, but there's enough technical headroom to push Killzone 3 and Resistance 3 much further.

Another point is that game engines were well overdue for modernization and better optimization. Using PS3 coding methods PC/360 game engines perform better as well and the PS3 paves the way for a distant future PS4 which will function even more parallel.



I do. But the PS3 can do far more, not as minor as you think.



Our ears and eyes are very important human sensory organs, but the advantages go much further than just visual and audio improvements. It also regards game complexity, the amount of stuff you can do on screen simultaneously, more advanced physics, better AI routines, etc. The potential to grow in all such regards is very significant for the PS3. Soon enough you will probably understand what I am referring to today.



I predict much sooner than that. I have been right before, some VGChartz staff in the past were skeptical when I foretold the PS3 would start selling better worldwide for Christmas 2007 than the 360 (despite the release of Halo 3, people called me crazy, the 360 was said to stay ahead due to its pricing advantage and Halo according to most people here).

selnor said: Press_the_Button said: At this stage in the 360's lifecycle I'd damn well expect it to be shooting away sales wise from the PS3, cos it's half the price of the PS3 (UK : £129 360 Arcade vs £299 PS3). If it wasn't, well they'd be no hope for it. This holiday season MS will have used up all their ammo with the 360 - price is as low as it can really go without being in bargin bin territory, Gears 2, Fable 2 etc etc. PS3 meanwhile still has room for price cuts and still has some big hitters in it's arsenal - KZ2, GT5 etc. for next year (of course, MS could annouce Halo 4 for next year!). I look forward to revisiting this thread post Xmas to see how big a lead the 360 gets, if it doesn't pull away significantly then 360 will end up on 3rd place by the end of the gen. This is rediculous. No evidence to show that PS3 will pass it. All speculation. As for you saying no games left? Lets look. ........ Yep 360 has no high budget high profile games left????? Gues I'd better sell up.

There's no evidence to say it won't either (PS3 pass the 360 that is). At this stage it's too early to say.

Yes, you quoted a list of games the 360 will get next year. Well done. I was referring to big francies, proven system sellers, games that'll grab the guy off the street and want to make him (or her) buy a 360 as opposed to the PS3 (or Wii for that matter). Halo 3, Gears 2 and Fable 2 (although dunno whether this'll be a system seller) were the big MS guns. The likes of Mass Effect 2, Alan Wake and all that aren't likely to resonate with the general population as much and pull new gamers to the 360 all by themselves.