well then, lets see - since you mentioned price and resale, assumming that resale is based off the hardware specs of the computer.

i am using an asus laptop, vista home edition, 3gb DDR2 ram, a 250gb hard drive, a core 2 duo 2.0 GHz processor and an ati radeon 3650 videocard with 1gb Vram. this was under 1000 dollars due to newegg not charging tax where i live and free shipping.

the cheapest macbook on apples' store is a 2.1GHz intel core 2 duo, 1gb of ram, 120gb hard drive and i dont even see mention of a videocard - at 1.1k no less. Now of course, the reasonable consumer shops around, and newegg is usually my site of choice. unfortunately it has the same model - the videocard is an integrated card, and as my last laptop made note of - intergrated cards are crap. meaning that if i want a reasonable mac laptop, i'd need to fork out at the very least 200 dollars more, which on the apple site that means the only improvement over the other model is more processing power - yet the remaining specs are still under mines. So please, show me how a mac setup would be cheaper then what I have, because i'm sure there are some deals that i dont know about (this ipod touch deal that went on for example? im not sure how that worked, but im sure it should tip the scales - not that i need some 200 dollar over-priced (IMO, if i need to state that) media player. at that price i'd get a psp).

Now - you still claim that OSX is better. thats OPINION. its the same anecdotal hand waiving argument that is allways ignored. My expirience, being forced to use macs for over 4 years due to the PC-side of the computer lab being taken, only shows to me that Macs seem unneccesarily tedious when i want to do something so simple as maximing a window. you see how this anecdotal thing works? it doesnt. OSX is crap to me, and i can assure YOU, that anything that your mac + xp combination could be outdone by another XP + linux combination, if not by features then simply by price. Do note that some people do not need the majority of the extra freatures present on both vista ultimate and OSX - as is my case, so stating "using vista ultimate (which OSX still has more features then!!!)" is completely useless.

p.s. - dont forget, as a student i can easily get windows software for much cheaper - not to mention ive been using the same copy of office 2003 since i got it. the 500 dollar premium that you speak of for office is lost on me, as im sure anyone with a decent group of friends is as well (everyone i know with a computer shares software among friends, at least. fuck EA).

and just an fyi, i enjoy change. But i dont enjoy unnecessary change. this upcoming election i will be voting for obama, and i will be testing the waters with chrome. i wont however, be testing mac software anymore than what i already do, as i have seen from personal experience that they just dont suit me. if thats so troubling for you then so be it.

Macs are easy to use, looks great and are faster than other computers. I think it's better for people who are not too tech savvy.

The guy who wrote that is smoking something good. I go to a community college with about 2500 students and I have never seen one Mac there. Not one. Also, the claim that macs are cheaper than PCs is pure BS. Check out the following for $1450:

PROCESSOR Intel® Core™ 2 Duo Processor T9500 (2.6GHz/800Mhz FSB, 6MB Cache)

OPERATING SYSTEM Genuine Windows Vista® Home Premium Edition SP1

LCD AND CAMERA High Resolution, glossy widescreen 15.4 inch LCD(1440x900) & 2MP Camera

MEMORY 4GB Shared Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM at 667MHz (2 Dimms)

HARD DRIVE Size: 320GB 5400rpm SATA Hard Drive

INTERNAL OPTICAL DRIVE Slot Load DVD+/-RW (DVD/CD read/write)

VIDEO CARD 256MB NVIDIA® GeForce® 8600M GT

WIRELESS CARDS Intel Next-Gen Wireless-N Mini-card

BLUETOOTH Dell Wireless 355 Bluetooth Internal (2.0+Enhanced Data Rate)

SOUND Integrated Sound Blaster Audigy HD Software Edition

I don't care who you are. That is a beast of a laptop. Heck, stick in a better graphics card and that would own 70% of gaming DESKTOPS out there. And all that for less than $1500. Take off the Vista and load XP, and you get that for like 1250. There's not a chance in hell any mac with those specs would sell for anything even close to that.

Well good for my laptop.


So does anyone know how many watts a macbook battery charger uses?

In other news, MS's new version of Windows failed so badly that MS has to pull out of the console market too focus on regaining their dominance. Sony is elated. lol had to be done.

a lot of those are in the macbook pro which sells for 1999. and only comes with a 2.4 ghz processor, 2 gigs of ram (4 gigs is 200 more), 200 gig hard drive, and the video card but with only 256 mb vram 

Quoted so we can all fully appreciate the irony of the two bolded statements appearing in the same post.  You are coming off as about as elitist as one could possibly be.

lmao. well done De85, i didnt catch that. Truth be told i would be less "anti-mac" if it didnt create people like impulsivity. Before his first post, the only thing someone said about macs that were "negative" was that they are on the more expensive side - pretty much due to there being no low end model (waiting to see if he can show me a cheaper, or reasonably priced alternative build then what i got, but until then i won't add to that).

I'm all for people having choice - i appreciate that mac is gaining ground, but the operating system doesnt work for me. The responce i got from impulsivity was that i was a moron that didnt accept change, and then accused me of being a republican (the "not voting for obama" comment). But really, whats the point of defending something such as an operating system platform to such a degree, when it is by its nature far more dependant on "user-preference" than even the consoles? It's not like people are choosing a ps3 over the 360 for its user-interface (won't surprise me if there are, but i would assume that is a very small group), people choose thier consoles for the games (or other features). But the varying operating systems are pretty much all user-interface differences, since there is usually some way to get the proper program to do what you want no matter what platform you use.

screw you, if you think so go post it somewhere else ass

Meh. I still prefer Microsoft/Windows products over any Mac/Apple products.
Truth is Apple will never beat Microsoft worldwide when it comes to PC/OS sales.
Vista is great and so is the Zune.=P