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disolitude said:
goddog said:
disolitude said:
goddog said:

 

 

thats kind of funny since i build and maintain my own computers, flash my macs to overclock, or use modded fx cards, ive upgraded and changed the guts on quite a few PM, MP and little MM. also work on pcs, its quite a fun hobby, and i know many mac useres who do this, even ones who build form basic parts to mac their own mac, something i plan on doing this winter as a project and your selling bullshit on your web advertising, outside of explorer the web is designed to be platform agnostic, and your company would not be the largest if it did not test ads out on other browsers, and platforms customers would not stand for segments they sell to to not be covered, like you i have worked in that industry and only the people who did not know what they were doing, or were so low on the neccisary persons pole that we never even saw them worked like you do, also how have you not been replaced? most flash projects designers bundle in fonts to work on all platforms, maybe your copany just enjoys living 10 years in the past

Actually dude, you pretending to know what i was talking about is the only bullshit around. You will see lots of ads you your Mac, however they will be simple flash ads or gifs. What you won't see too much is top layer ads, or vokens, or leaderboard expanding ads etc...go do some research on what those are and then come back and say something intelligent.

When I get an ad that is an expanding bigbox for example...I will set it live for all platforms and browsers. As soon as someone emails me from the sites and says "this doesn't work on a mac". the ad gets targeted to windows only platform. This happens about 30% of the time with complex flash ads. So you mac users will see a nice gif banner instead... Why would we bother wasting resources and testing ads for less than 10% of the audience? We use googles Dart doubleclick ad servers...let them test it on their time.

Also, while you are right that they send all fonts when they send creative, I've had instances where a creative company sends me flash files without PC fonts and I had to refuse them. We dont design the creative...so we do run in to companies that are livng 10 years in the past...and don't realize that mac fonts are useless in the ad serving world.

Only reason i mentioned this is to show that while you can design flash ads on a mac all you want...they must be PC ready.

 

saddlt your wrong i see all of that the opening ad for this site is expanding bigbox on safari ass, i know what im talking about, side note flash is platform agnostic too if exported right, and not incompetently, you dont need to set pc fonts it will do it on its own. and good design firms would have tested long before it gets to you, honestly you must work with some hacks

 

also why sell it for cheap mac laptops go for close to full price up to 2 years out even with problems? are you bad at using ebay too, how do you keep your job...? honestly most of the stuff you talk about i learned in highschool, much less college working for my degree 

1. I never said I work for a design agency. Design agencies work for me...talk to them.

2. Flash is not platform diagnostic. If letters are broken apart when published, sure the FLA will open in pc or mac versions of Adobe Flash no problem, without proper fonts...but sadly that adds to the size of the file so rarely do they get broken apart. If you knew anything about IAB advertising standards you would know that a flash banner can't be over 40K to appear on a major site like MSNBC or IGN.

3.  The way you structure your sentances and argumens I sincerely doubt you went to highschool, let alone college.

 

 

i went o highschool and college have a bfa, and i didnt say you worked for them, but with them. i dont really care the image i project here since posting here is more a hobby. i do know about the size limitation, but also know you pack the fonts in at that size for less than that, and if you want to preserve the look, you just want outlined fonts which take up less space and marginalize the risk of text being jumbled by a browser reading them wrong, as i said, i dont know why you have a job, it seems redundent, unless youjust check eveything out before it gets used to make sure its functioning good QA guys do deserve good pay errors are nice to know of before they reach the masses and embarrass a client 

 

honestly though i let you in, ive become disatisfied with my field, and think im going to move to computer science when i get my masters, as i have enjoyed working part time as a sys admin more, much more relaxing and not that difference in pay, though going back to college will be expensive and i dread TAing 



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dgm6780 said:
Select your MacBook Pro.

15-inch:
2.4GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
2GB RAM
200GB hard drive’
Double-layer SuperDrive
NYIDIA GeForce 6600M GT with 256
MB
Ships: VMthin 24hrs
Free Shipping
*1.999.00
or as low as $48.00 a month
Select



or

a MUCH better dell for $750 less

. Item Description
XPS M1530, Intel Core 2 Duo Processor T8300
(2.4GHzJ80OMHzFSB, 3M L2 Cache)
Tuxedo Black Casing XPS M1530
3GB, DDR2. 667MHz 2 Dimm. forXPS M1530
15.4 inch Wide Screen WXGA+ TrueLife LCD with 2.0 MP
Camera forXPS M1530
256MB NVIDIA GeForce 8600M GT
320GB 5400RPM SATA Hard Drive for XPS M1530
DELL RESOURCE DVD,BACK-UP. XPSM1530
Intemet Search and Portal
Vista. PC-Restore, Dim/Insp
Microsoft Windows Vista SP1 Home Premium Edition,
English
Media Direct 3.5
Dell Owners Manual installed on your system,click on icon
after system set-up to access
Dell Dock Consumer
DELL SUPPORT CENTER 2.0
ADOBE READER 9.0 MULTI- LANGUAGE
BX DVD+/-RW Slot Load Drive for XPSM1530
Roxio CreatorDE 10
Integrated High Definition Audio 2.0
Dell Wireless 1395 802.1lg Mini Card
McAfee SecurityCenter 15-month
56 WHr 6-cell Lithium Ion P Primary Battery, for XPS M1530
No Intemet Service Provider Requested
Microsoft Works 9.0. English For Inspiron
Soft Contracts - Banctec
Warranty Support.1 Year Extended

 

um the adobe reader is free ware  why list it? apple has that built into the os or you can download it. also mac has 1 year hardware, and mac has a roxio cd creator equivelent built in. and once again we acknowledge that end of life macs are not the deals that new macs are. we concede that, but new macs are a very good deal, often better or equivelent to pc vendor offerings



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famousringo said:
Plaupius said:

Ok, at that time BootCamp was still in beta, it actually got a proper release with OS X 10.5, before that it was considered beta. Maybe that amounted to some of the problems you experienced, and/or maybe you had some hardware issue. Macs are pretty high quality overall, but as with all hw nowadays, they have their share of issues, some of which can cause unstable behaviour.

I've never used iTunes on Windows, but I keep hearing it's an abomination. What exactly is so bad about it? The OS X version doesn't seem too bad, I actually like it, so I'm curious to know what they did wrong with the Windows version.

 

I'm not a windows user, but from what I understand, iTunes becomes the default program for any music files on your system without asking you and Apple's auto-update program (which comes with any Apple software on Windows) gets in your face and tries to get you to download Safari and other Apple software.

I think that iTunes is actually one of the better-behaved Apple Windows programs. I've had a lousy time trying to get Quicktime to work on a Windows machine. It's glitchy as hell.

Basically Apple software is just as lousy on the Windows platform as Microsoft software is on the Mac platform, and maybe even a little worse.

i would have to say it is bossy, but there is a tab and button, where you can permently ask not be informed of updates, unless required for other software, (some quicktime updates have to be run for itunes to run properly) but it is the same on the mac, all you have to do is change your configuration

 



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It was a lazy screen grab of a quote off of Dell.com. But it was for a XPS 1530 for $1250. I was trying to match it up with what I bought last month for $900 with a coupon. I did a lot of research and put lots of thought into my decision to go with a Dell over an Apple. Had to respond to someone blindly spouting crap like a gullible apple fan boy.


from dell.com:

The battery is 2-4hours.

Dimensions :
Weight: 5.78 lbs9 (2.62 kg)
Width: 14.06" (357 mm)
Height: 0.93" - 1.38" (23.7 mm - 35.1 mm wedge)
Depth: 10.34" (263 mm)


Soooo...

Dell is less then an 1" at its thinnest and 1.38" at thickest. The mac is a flat 1".

width x depth Apple 14.1" x 9.6" vs Dell 14" x 10.3"

Apple 5.4 lbs vs Dell 5.7 lbs

colors available Dell 4 vs Mac 1









@bitmap - they call it a Macbook Pro on apple.com



dgm6780 said:
It was a lazy screen grab of a quote off of Dell.com. But it was for a XPS 1530 for $1250. I was trying to match it up with what I bought last month for $900 with a coupon. I did a lot of research and put lots of thought into my decision to go with a Dell over an Apple. Had to respond to someone blindly spouting crap like a gullible apple fan boy.


from dell.com:

The battery is 2-4hours.

Dimensions :
Weight: 5.78 lbs9 (2.62 kg)
Width: 14.06" (357 mm)
Height: 0.93" - 1.38" (23.7 mm - 35.1 mm wedge)
Depth: 10.34" (263 mm)


Soooo...

Dell is less then an 1" at its thinnest and 1.38" at thickest. The mac is a flat 1".

width x depth Apple 14.1" x 9.6" vs Dell 14" x 10.3"

Apple 5.4 lbs vs Dell 5.7 lbs

colors available Dell 4 vs Mac 1









@bitmap - they call it a Macbook Pro on apple.com

The Tom's article was comparing the price of a MacPro, not MacBook Pro. MacPro is a desktop machine.

BTW, currently the 1999$ MacBook Pro ships with a NVIDIA GeForce 8600M GT GPU with 256 MB, so they've upped the performance, it seems. Also, from apple.com, the 15" MBP has a battery life up to 5 hours with WiFi, so it's somewhat better than the Dell in that regard. Anyway, the Dell is clearly cheaper, and that's a big factor obviously. 750$ is a lot of money, and not everybody thinks the MBP is worth that much more.



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Many people buy macs for many different reasons. None of them are right (in an absolute sense), its the right choice for them however, at least at that point in time. I know many people that have converted for varying reasons. I'll list a few.

1: Frustration with windows. Many people I know have developed a hatred of windows over the years, mac osx is the most obvious platform to move to in regards to them (thanks to how apple positions its brand and positive word of mouth).

2: Exclusive software. Software like final cut etc is very well made and have lured many content creators I know away from windows.

3: Great aesthetics. Face it macs look great, things that look good sell well in a culture thats image obsessed. This is helped by the ipods ubiquity.

4: Great cross platform compatibility. Macs can run both windows and osx, you get the best of both world wilst not being denied the ability to play pc games.

Not once has my argument ventured into, price, components etc. Because people aren't moving over to macs because they're faster or cheaper. Apple's marketing has been successful, they have well designed pc (on the inside and out), they can run windows, they made the ipod, they designed some nice software and its easy enough to use and learn. Macs have a higher perceived value as a platform, they have the perception of being superior, whereas for many windows conjures up images of frustration and virus's (fairly or not). I've been around tech circles long enough to understand that not one piece of tech is for everyone, whilst macs are my preferred platform atm others may need windows as much as I need to use macs at this point in time. But macs nevertheless are becoming more popular then ever and its mainly because apple is very good at managing its brand image.



FaRmLaNd said:
Many people buy macs for many different reasons. None of them are right (in an absolute sense), its the right choice for them however, at least at that point in time. I know many people that have converted for varying reasons. I'll list a few.

1: Frustration with windows. Many people I know have developed a hatred of windows over the years, mac osx is the most obvious platform to move to in regards to them (thanks to how apple positions its brand and positive word of mouth).

2: Exclusive software. Software like final cut etc is very well made and have lured many content creators I know away from windows.

3: Great aesthetics. Face it macs look great, things that look good sell well in a culture thats image obsessed. This is helped by the ipods ubiquity.

4: Great cross platform compatibility. Macs can run both windows and osx, you get the best of both world wilst not being denied the ability to play pc games.

Not once has my argument ventured into, price, components etc. Because people aren't moving over to macs because they're faster or cheaper. Apple's marketing has been successful, they have well designed pc (on the inside and out), they can run windows, they made the ipod, they designed some nice software and its easy enough to use and learn. Macs have a higher perceived value as a platform, they have the perception of being superior, whereas for many windows conjures up images of frustration and virus's (fairly or not). I've been around tech circles long enough to understand that not one piece of tech is for everyone, whilst macs are my preferred platform atm others may need windows as much as I need to use macs at this point in time. But macs nevertheless are becoming more popular then ever and its mainly because apple is very good at managing its brand image.

I agree with you completely, you echo my thoughts end sentiments. Unfortunately for us level headed mac owners, there are mac-zealots who are far more visible in their crusade for Apple than the masses of sensible, happy mac users. As for your points, I'd like to add to the exclusive software that Apple is, IMO, very aggressive in their pricing. Their software prices are very reasonable, and sometimes even cheap when compared to the alternatives. Standard retail price for the iWork'08 is $79, MS Office Mac 2008 is $399.95. Of course, Office is IMO offering more, mainly because of Excel, but the price difference is really quite astounding.