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the big difference here..is that blue ocean means interesting people into whatever you're selling..

wich is games..

camera games..downloadable games etc

PSP doesn't offer games related to it's extra features..it's not like the DS touchscreen is only used for the main menu..

if you think like nintendo you get it..if you think like sony you won't get it..and try to copy and fail

PSP could work..if they used the music and movies and storage as games..or incorporated it in games

I'm sure nintendo will..they added some sort of mario paint?

the browser comes with it..wich could mean internet based games..like the

BS Zelda series for Nes and SNES

so...if you look at it from the point of view..of SELLING games..and not music..or cameras

you might start to understand why the DS is blue ocean and succeeds..and will succeed again

while the others fail...YES PSP FAILED hard.. ^^'' it just did..



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deathcape said:
the big difference here..is that blue ocean means interesting people into whatever you're selling..

wich is games..

camera games..downloadable games etc

PSP doesn't offer games related to it's extra features..it's not like the DS touchscreen is only used for the main menu..

if you think like nintendo you get it..if you think like sony you won't get it..and try to copy and fail

PSP could work..if they used the music and movies and storage as games..or incorporated it in games

I'm sure nintendo will..they added some sort of mario paint?

the browser comes with it..wich could mean internet based games..like the

BS Zelda series for Nes and SNES

so...if you look at it from the point of view..of SELLING games..and not music..or cameras

you might start to understand why the DS is blue ocean and succeeds..and will succeed again

while the others fail...YES PSP FAILED hard.. ^^'' it just did..

 By your logic the PS3 is blue ocean. Sony used blu-ray to increase the storage space of games giving them a better ability to put in high end graphics while also allowing you to play a new format of movies on the system.

 The Xbox was blue ocean. It added a hard drive which could be used to save games, play music and enhanced game performance by allowing disc caching for certain games.

 The PSP is blue ocean by incorporating a built in web browser allowing you to surf the net and find the online flash games to play and enjoy.

 The Dreamcast was blue ocea. It added interenet functionality by defaul and allowed you to browse the internet and play games against your friends.

 The PSP is a stellar succes by any rational definition. Coing in second does not mean you failed. It has an incredible user base and has almost certainly turned a nice profit. It also has been the most successful competitor against any Nintendo hand held in history.

 You have a theory and are trying to fit the evidence to it. Look at this objectively and you will see why you are wrong.



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dude...better storage..is not making people who dont know about gaming..suddenly want to play games..Gnizmo..

you should look at it objectively..you think blue ocean is slapping whatever you want onto it..no..

 

blue ocean is incorporating things into it..to interest people into buying your product..adding NEW values..

 

games always became biger..bluray or harddrives won't make non-customers suddenly become core customers

 

if you paid any attention..Dream Cast and PS1 could be called blue ocean..but nothing out now besides DS and Wii are blue ocean (wii being disruptive additionally)

 

also..I'd like to add this new text from malstrom

 

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Oh, Bloomberg! As predicted, many places, such as Bloomberg, are reporting the DSi as a competitive response to PSP and iPhone.

The third version of the DS is aimed at protecting Kyoto, Japan-based Nintendo’s dominance in portable gaming as Sony adds features to the PSP and Apple Inc. enters the market with iPods and iPhones that can play motion-sensing games. In August, Nintendo forecast it will sell 30.5 million handheld machines this fiscal year, twice as many as Sony’s projected PSP sales.

I’m convinced a big secret to Nintendo’s success is no one ever studies the company seriously. They lazily place Nintendo’s actions within a cookie cutter hole inside current Conventional Wisdom. When competitors do this, they get creamed by Nintendo. But when companies seriously study Nintendo’s success, as Sega did during the 8-bit generation, or Sony did during the 16-bit generation, we end up with the Sega Genesis and Sony PlayStation.

Bloomberg then reports that investors are unhappy with DSi and, as a result, the Nintendo stock falls. Nevermind the fact that all Asian stocks are being hit now, look at Toyota’s stock for example, I haven’t heard any unhappiness from investors with the DSi. In fact, many of the investors had an idea of what to expect as the DSi was slated to make its appearance earlier.

It is perfectly understandable that the first DS caused confusion. It became less so with the Wii. But by this time with DSi, Nintendo is clearly following a pattern. They even state and point out their strategies in their speeches and have been for years. The result: others still don’t get it.

People wonder why there is a financial crisis. Look at these baboons in the financial market and their total lack of critical thinking. They aren’t thinkers. They throw currency exchange rates around, declare that to be an ‘analysis’, and call it a day! When you have people so overpriced in salaries for what they do, which seems to be universal in much of the financial sector, there is no doubt a shakedown is bound to occur.

Nintendo might as well not bother explaining their strategy. It’s not like anyone listens to them anyway.

Nintendo: “We are doing the Blue Ocean Strategy!”
Analysts: “Nintendo is aggresively going against competitors…”
Nintendo: “Every Wii put on the shelves disappears. We have no idea how deep the demand is!”
Analysts: “There is no way the demand is that high. What Nintendo is really doing is shipping most those Wii units to Europe because the dollar is so low against the Euro. Currency exchange rates define Nintendo’s actions!”
Nintendo: “We are following the strategy of disruption!”
Analysts: “What the hell is Nintendo doing? We just cannot understand… Oh, I know… Casual games! Yeah!!!”

 



deathcape said:

dude...better storage..is not making people who dont know about gaming..suddenly want to play games..Gnizmo..

you should look at it objectively..you think blue ocean is slapping whatever you want onto it..no..

 

blue ocean is incorporating things into it..to interest people into buying your product..adding NEW values..

 

games always became biger..bluray or harddrives won't make non-customers suddenly become core customers

 

if you paid any attention..Dream Cast and PS1 could be called blue ocean..but nothing out now besides DS and Wii are blue ocean (wii being disruptive additionally)

 

also..I'd like to add this new text from malstrom

 

 I have aperfectly clear idea of what blue ocean is. Nintendogs, Brain Age, Wii Sports, Wii Fit, and Wii Play are blue ocean. You claim blu-ray doesn't make new people want to buy it, and that is flat out wrong. People bought a PS3 simply because it could play blu-ray. Thats not blue ocean though? But a .3 megapixel camera (which is far worse than modern cell phone cameras) is? Who will buy it just to have a shitty camera and a gimped version of photoshop?

 My exact claim is that slapping something new on an existing product does not make it blue ocean suddenly. You need to offer an entirely different experience from your competitors to pull a blue ocean move off. You have to move away from what they are doing and move into your own space within the market. Copying features found on existing products cannot be blue ocean. These new features are ripped straight from their competitors in the iPhone and the PSP.

 Oh and for the record no, the Dreamcast and Playstation were not blue ocean. They were both just beefier versions of existing products with tech upgrades that did not have mass appeal outside the core video game market. The core gamer market has huge overlap with technophile markets which causes a lot of these new gadgety features to fail to appeal to a broader demographic (blu-ray, MP3 playing, HD videos on demand, etc).



Starcraft 2 ID: Gnizmo 229

To be honest, I'm starting to get confused about this. For one part I understand that the DSi is offering something different than PSP and iPhone, not competing in offering the better functionalitites, but different functionalities, and that could be like the "entrance" to new people into gaming.

However, as Gnizmo is saying, I'm starting to wonder if Nintendo didn't enter a Red Ocean. Are people gonna be interested in buying a DSi for the new Camera, if they can also have a camera in other systems? Yes, the camera has functionalities no other system has, but still I'm not sure if it will be enough to convince people to buy it. Right now I know a lot of people interested in buying the DSi, some have a DS, others not, but all of them are interested in gaming anyway.

The DSi is supposed to be a third pillar, to attract distant customers that didn't care about gaming. Will it work with this exclusive functionalities?

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well Gnizmo...people bought PS3's Bluray to play Bluray movies..

Blueray beats it compettitors..not blue ocean

The DSi cam...and the music player are not the best..
but you can play with them..play with the music and the pictures

hear yourself:dumbed down version of photoshop

do you get it already?...this is gonna be a photo play thing..like the GB camera..

play with pictures or video..not edit them beyond recognition...or anything professional

it is to enjoy playing with them..and later adding them into the games

same goes for you Soma..just read what I wrote..I kind of get what's going on...

it's not the same as PSP..who is trying to beat the iPod..or the iPhone..who is trying to beat Blackberry

it's different..like the Wii..gave a dumbed down version of sports..right?

think about it



Heh, we will know if it is a Blue Ocean move if DSi = $$$$

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@ Gnizmo

I don't think BluRay is Blue Ocean. The idea of BluRay is offering a more powerful DVD, the idea of Blue Ocean is offering something different. Nintendogs, Brain Age, Wii Sports, Wii Fit, and Wii Play are all different. The camera itself is not BlueOcean, but the new functionalites, even if it is something simple like manipulating photos, probably is.

Look at Tamagotchy, it was a shitty game, a "pet simulator", but being new and different attracted a lot of people in buying one, even those not interested in gaming. Maybe something like a 0.3 mpx camera could do the same.



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btw...sorry about my other post..I thought you were talking about saturn there..wow..I'm tired XDDD

not dreamcast..but yes..PS1 was a blue ocean compared to the rest



@ Deathcape

Yes, I understand, maybe I was wrong in saying it entered a Red Ocean, however I'm still not sure if it will attract "new" customers just by this functionalities.



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