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luinil on 23 September 2008

Doing well Meso. Yourself? Am am thinking this thread needs more Holy Cat. Maybe he will smite some cat haters. lol.



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mesoteto on 23 September 2008

 

i am among you now



 

tombi123 on 23 September 2008

@highwaystar101

Pan Jin Lian China Goddess of fornication and prostitutes.



vlad321 on 23 September 2008

I was thinking along the lines of:
Rati Hindu Goddess of sexual desire.



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appolose on 23 September 2008
ManusJustus said:
appolose said: 

The reason why the universe needs a nonphysical explanation is derived from our own understanding of science (or so the article contends (I believe, I have not read it))).  God doesn't need a creator because the physcial reality has no bearing on him.

The problem with that is that you can apply the same 'different physical reality' characteristic to practically anything and make the same argument.  God is outside physical reality, so are Leprachauns, ghosts, UFOs, invisible unicorns, pagan gods, fairies, giants, and so forth.

What do most things with the 'outside physical reality' trait have in common?  They made up by humans.  Its not much of a step to say that they all are human made.

 

 I do believe your objection was, however, that it was a fallacy to say the universe needed a creator while God did not.  So I'm not quite sure how this demonstrates a God would need a creator logically.  The point was, if there were such a need for the universe to have a nonphyscial creator, it does not necessarily follow that the nonphyscial creator would need a creator.  If I say "A needs B to exist", it does not follow to say "Then B needs C to exist".  It's perfectly consistent.

And it is quite a step to say that all are wholly human made.  Who's to say that such myths didn't have a real, particular source for themselves?



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highwaystar101 on 23 September 2008
tombi123 said:
@highwaystar101

Pan Jin Lian China Goddess of fornication and prostitutes.

 

the one that made me laugh but I can't find now was is the Roman god of weeding gardens.



ManusJustus on 23 September 2008
appolose said: 

If there were such a need for the universe to have a nonphyscial creator, it does not necessarily follow that the nonphyscial creator would need a creator.

And it is quite a step to say that all are wholly human made.  Who's to say that such myths didn't have a real, particular source for themselves?

You are applying a non-physical trait to something that you are not sure exists or doesn't exist or if it has a non-physical trait or not.  You can apply a non-physical trait to anything and make any argument you wish.

I believe in Leprachuans, Leprachuans are nonphysical, therefore Leprachuans exist.

Humans exagerrate on stories.  Even in American lore we have figures like Paul Bunyon and John Henry, they may be based off of real people, but their supernatural traits are man made.



Rath on 23 September 2008
Kasz216 said:
Rath said:
Kasz216 said:

See Quantum Physics.

 

 

From what we have done of quantum so far it is still governed by mathematics, it is just governed by probability rather than certainty. You can never say with certainty where a particle is but you can say what the probability of the particle being in a certain space is.

I haven't done that much quantum physics yet (only in the first year of my degree) but most of the stuff I have seen so far has been able to be described in things like the Hisenberg Uncertainty Principle or Schrodingers Equation (both mathematical relationships).

If anybody who knows more than me wants to show me up now, go ahead =P.

 

Through a new formula.

That's the point.  In regular Physics A+B=C.

However when you take the equation small enough.... that equation doesn't work anymore.

The Physics Equations don't fit Quantum Physics situations and vice versa.

 

It's still maths though, just a different kind of maths.

 



appolose on 23 September 2008
ManusJustus said:
appolose said: 

If there were such a need for the universe to have a nonphyscial creator, it does not necessarily follow that the nonphyscial creator would need a creator.

And it is quite a step to say that all are wholly human made.  Who's to say that such myths didn't have a real, particular source for themselves?

You are applying a non-physical trait to something that you are not sure exists or doesn't exist or if it has a non-physical trait or not.  You can apply a non-physical trait to anything and make any argument you wish.

I believe in Leprachuans, Leprachuans are nonphysical, therefore Leprachuans exist.

Humans exagerrate on stories.  Even in American lore we have figures like Paul Bunyon and John Henry, they may be based off of real people, but their supernatural traits are man made.

The point is not whether or not it exists, but rather if it is logical to say "Object A needed to be created to by Object B, and Object  B needs no creator", which it is.  If there were such a nonphysical being, the alleged need of the universe to have a creator would not apply to such an entity, which, by definition, is nonphyscial.  Notice I am not saying that such a being must exist because of this,  but simply that if it did, we could not say it needed a creator, too.

 

 

 



Okami

To lavish praise upon this title, the assumption of a common plateau between player and game must be made.  I won't open my unworthy mouth.

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Kasz216 on 23 September 2008

Highway star you missed one of my favorites.

Axomama Goddess of Potatoes.