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ManusJustus said:
appolose said: 

The reason why the universe needs a nonphysical explanation is derived from our own understanding of science (or so the article contends (I believe, I have not read it))).  God doesn't need a creator because the physcial reality has no bearing on him.

The problem with that is that you can apply the same 'different physical reality' characteristic to practically anything and make the same argument.  God is outside physical reality, so are Leprachauns, ghosts, UFOs, invisible unicorns, pagan gods, fairies, giants, and so forth.

What do most things with the 'outside physical reality' trait have in common?  They made up by humans.  Its not much of a step to say that they all are human made.

 

 I do believe your objection was, however, that it was a fallacy to say the universe needed a creator while God did not.  So I'm not quite sure how this demonstrates a God would need a creator logically.  The point was, if there were such a need for the universe to have a nonphyscial creator, it does not necessarily follow that the nonphyscial creator would need a creator.  If I say "A needs B to exist", it does not follow to say "Then B needs C to exist".  It's perfectly consistent.

And it is quite a step to say that all are wholly human made.  Who's to say that such myths didn't have a real, particular source for themselves?



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