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starcraft on 16 September 2008
Arcturus said:
starcraft said:
Arcturus said:
starcraft said:
I doubt it. Thinking back to all the prediction threads, 5 million seemed to be the expected minimum for the majority of MGS fans.

Now that number is in severe doubt, even with heavy bundling. And thats ignoring the very common 6-8 predictions.

Mind sharing the links to those threads?

http://vgchartz.com/forum/board.php?id=5

Feel free to trawl through for them.

You're looking for threads from May and June. You may also want to check locked threads from that time

So you're not refering to any actual predictions?

Nope.  The OP is a question, not a statement or an argument.

 



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leo-j on 16 September 2008

I see 5 million LTD for MGS4, I would want it to sell more, since the game is extreemly good.



 

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Ail on 16 September 2008
starcraft said:
LOL MATURE said:
starcraft said:
LOL MATURE said:
starcraft said:

The average sales of the first three MGS titles was 5 million, not including spin-offs and Xbox versions.

MGS4 is tracking to come in to around 4 million lifetime according to VGChartz, unless it sees ungodly sales during the holiday period, or bundling (of which it has already had a great deal).  Given this title had an enormous budget compared to previous titles (even when taking account of the progression to the next generation), did MGS4 fail to meet its sales expectations?

Note:  Due to Sony moneyhatting, and solid sales of the game, I am positive Konami made a reasonable amount of profit on the game.

 I'll do what you always do when people say MS moneyhats (which they are actually known for)

Got proof?

About as much proof as you have that ToV, Star Ocean, Ace Combat and Eternal Sonata were moneyhatted.

Sometimes in life, we employ common sense.

Let's see... common sense says that MS will be the same ol' company with the same ol' dirty tactics. Previous behavior is reflected on a company when these situations come up. So.... why wouldn't people think MS paid for those titles?

Please starcraft you haven't used one ounce of common sense in this thread.

Dirty tactics?

You mean like DRM-laced CD's with no warning?

Stripping "core" features out of consoles?

Microsoft does some messed up stuff, but I don't get why anyone is honestly deluded enough to think Sony is any better.

Obviously the game turned out crap, but why do you think Haze went exclusive?

 

Like fixing RROD isn't stripping a core 360 feature ?

 

/owned 

 

 



PS3-Xbox360 gap : 1.5 millions and going up in PS3 favor !

PS3-Wii gap : 20 millions and going down !

masterb8tr on 16 September 2008

Question is the bundles counted for?



DMeisterJ on 16 September 2008
starcraft said:
Arcturus said:
starcraft said:
Arcturus said:
starcraft said:
I doubt it. Thinking back to all the prediction threads, 5 million seemed to be the expected minimum for the majority of MGS fans.

Now that number is in severe doubt, even with heavy bundling. And thats ignoring the very common 6-8 predictions.

Mind sharing the links to those threads?

http://vgchartz.com/forum/board.php?id=5

Feel free to trawl through for them.

You're looking for threads from May and June. You may also want to check locked threads from that time

So you're not refering to any actual predictions?

Nope.  The OP is a question, not a statement or an argument.

Since you can't refer to any predictions, I'll refer to your "6-8 mil" argument as speculation (per the usual).



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starcraft on 16 September 2008
Ail said:
starcraft said:
LOL MATURE said:
starcraft said:
LOL MATURE said:
starcraft said:

The average sales of the first three MGS titles was 5 million, not including spin-offs and Xbox versions.

MGS4 is tracking to come in to around 4 million lifetime according to VGChartz, unless it sees ungodly sales during the holiday period, or bundling (of which it has already had a great deal).  Given this title had an enormous budget compared to previous titles (even when taking account of the progression to the next generation), did MGS4 fail to meet its sales expectations?

Note:  Due to Sony moneyhatting, and solid sales of the game, I am positive Konami made a reasonable amount of profit on the game.

 I'll do what you always do when people say MS moneyhats (which they are actually known for)

Got proof?

About as much proof as you have that ToV, Star Ocean, Ace Combat and Eternal Sonata were moneyhatted.

Sometimes in life, we employ common sense.

Let's see... common sense says that MS will be the same ol' company with the same ol' dirty tactics. Previous behavior is reflected on a company when these situations come up. So.... why wouldn't people think MS paid for those titles?

Please starcraft you haven't used one ounce of common sense in this thread.

Dirty tactics?

You mean like DRM-laced CD's with no warning?

Stripping "core" features out of consoles?

Microsoft does some messed up stuff, but I don't get why anyone is honestly deluded enough to think Sony is any better.

Obviously the game turned out crap, but why do you think Haze went exclusive?

Like fixing RROD isn't stripping a core 360 feature ?

/owned

Er....right.

*Pats Ail on the head*

It will all be ok when the medicine comes my friend.

 



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Simulacrum on 16 September 2008

...Main reason for it to already make to 5m is Userbase.More or less in JapanWell Mgs 2 sold 7m without large userbase...
So I sai its because Nintendo and Xbox games.
O wait...I have to say, main reason for it is PS3.



 

 

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4lc0h0l on 16 September 2008

when the other metal gears were launch there was a bigger user base, even tought i think MGS4 is going to be bigger because it has had a lot more attention than the other MGS´s i think it will get over 5 million



darthdevidem01 on 16 September 2008
starcraft said:
LOL MATURE said:
darthdevidem01 said:
Well if your talking about Rock_on's n Leo-J's prediction shame on you Starcraft for taking em seriously

otherwise MGS4 is about to pass MGS3's TD sales in NA....PS3's worst market

I think we can safely say it has MORE than met expectations in NA. It has met exectations in EU & in Japan

Let me remind you now of some xbot predictions who said MGS4 would be lucky to get past 3 million.....some said it would never even reach MGS3's sales.

so the ludicrous predictions go both ways.

Apart from that MGS4 has not met expectations.....but surpassed them

 Exactly this.

Starcraft cherrypicked peoples perdictions. (Then he doesn't provide proof to back them up and tells us we need to look ourselves for them or just take his word on it)

And then everyone said MGS3 sales were on a HUGE platform install base and that the series was dying so MGS4 would sell a lot less than it.

Excuse me?  Where have I cherrypicked anything?

MY OP is a question, not a statement.

Judging by the (reasonable) responses, it appears many believe some party's expectations have not been met, and some have.

 

have your expectations been met?

 



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Torillian on 16 September 2008
starcraft said:
Arcturus said:
starcraft said:
Arcturus said:
starcraft said:
I doubt it. Thinking back to all the prediction threads, 5 million seemed to be the expected minimum for the majority of MGS fans.

Now that number is in severe doubt, even with heavy bundling. And thats ignoring the very common 6-8 predictions.

Mind sharing the links to those threads?

http://vgchartz.com/forum/board.php?id=5

Feel free to trawl through for them.

You're looking for threads from May and June. You may also want to check locked threads from that time

So you're not refering to any actual predictions?

Nope. The OP is a question, not a statement or an argument.

 

 

your OP is a question yes, but your next post muses towards the common predictions for the title, for which you have given absolutely no proof and thus your recollection is brought to question.  Just referencing the OP is nice and all....but you have made other posts....and that's what the comment is towards.



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