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leo-j on 17 September 2008
KylieDog said:
shanbcn said:
lol
Just 4 million LTD? At the end of the year 4.5 million MGS4 will be sold so over 6 millions LTD is pretty much given. Remember great game always have great legs.

 

Poor legs for MGS4 then?

 

(I bought a damn PS3 for that crap, I earned the right to forever slate that game!)

 

 

Seriously though, MGS4 sales are through being bundled with the only BC PS3 unit.  Is why it is selling more in the US despite bigger PS3 numbers in Europe, and europe having the history of selling more MGS games.

 

When that bundle stops so do MGS4 sales.

Good thing the bundle stopped a month ago.. or 2..

 



 

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shinsa on 17 September 2008

also...i'm sorry starcraft i dnot know you and i dont want to argue with you but...

being infamous on a forum.......*shaks head*

 



leo-j on 17 September 2008
forevercloud3000 said:
Sony does not moneyhat for games. That is a tactic exclusive to MS. If Sony had moneyhatted for anything that they have, don't you think the media would be ALL over them for it? The slightest screw up and the media jumps on Sony, the only way to beat it is to be true to what they say(for the most part). MS has admitted to these tactics on occasion. In the interview with a MS representative on the topic of FFXIII, the guy was completely evasive to the idea. He said something like...

"It is easy to say that we have payed for this game, yet I think the more obvious explanation is that we have the wider userbase..."

SEE! He never actually says they did not, which is what a person would say if he honestly could when being accused of something like that. Then he would go into why it went MP. MS is full of fail if you ask me. The only thing keeping them alive this gen is their wallet!

 

 You know at times I even think microsoft money hats the media.

I mean sony says " we are trying our best to bring games"

yet the media say "hahha what games? you suck"

Then when microsoft says " We are going to take down the playstation brand"

Does the media jump on it? No, obviously they are terribly biased.



 

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DrStephenTColbert on 17 September 2008

Just drop the grenade down the hatch and cover your ears. It makes for good reading



starcraft on 17 September 2008
DMeisterJ said:
starcraft said:
DMeisterJ said:
starcraft said:
DMeisterJ said:
starcraft said:

Nope.  The OP is a question, not a statement or an argument.

Since you can't refer to any predictions, I'll refer to your "6-8 mil" argument as speculation (per the usual).

This entire thread represents a question, replied to with speculative opinions from others.

Much like 99.65% of the comments made on this site, all of what is in this thread is speculation, bar the sales figures that currently exist.....well below previous numbers.

Other examples of speculation can be found here.

Hold the fucking phone.

My thread is not speculation.  I asked a question about what people thought about the price drop, and it's effects.  I didn't say anything about it, speculation would have fell into the thread had I given a reason for the price drop, when what I did was ask what the reason was, and gave choices.

This is speculation though, when you said that A) Sony Moneyhatted Konami (can't be proven true or false) and, B) when you said that 5 million was the lowes that PS3 fans said it will sell.  You make two claims, yet back neither of them up.

That my friend is speculation.  My thread is based on fact. 

Don't try to change the subject from your speculation to something else.

Wait?  Your thread is a question, but then by the end of your post it is fact?

We have been over this before.  You apply your literal interpretation of the word speculation only when someone else is involved, never to your own posts.  If we really did broadly apply the principle, this site's forums would be nearly non-existant.

Also, I don't see where I said 5 million was the lowest expectation PS3 fans had........

No, the thread is a question, the fact is that the first price drop failed to do much in Europe (if it's almost being outsold by the PS2).  that was the fact.

You didn't post any fact though, as you can see by my points A and B in the above post.

And at the bolded statement

Are you fucking blind?

I doubt it. Thinking back to all the prediction threads, 5 million seemed to be the expected minimum for the majority of MGS fans.

http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/post.php?id=1242330

It's a fact that the Xbox 360 price cut did nothing?  It could well have added 200k sales.  I think it is very much your own interpretation that it did nothing.

As for blindness, you said that I claimed the lowest expectation PS3 fans had was 5 million.  I actually said 5 million seemed to be the lowest expectation MGS fans had.

Your claim that PS3 fans are the same as MGS fans is pure speculation.

 



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starcraft on 17 September 2008
obieslut said:
starcraft said:
obieslut said:
starcraft said:
LOL MATURE said:
starcraft said:
Arcturus said:
starcraft said:
I doubt it. Thinking back to all the prediction threads, 5 million seemed to be the expected minimum for the majority of MGS fans.

Now that number is in severe doubt, even with heavy bundling. And thats ignoring the very common 6-8 predictions.

Mind sharing the links to those threads?

http://vgchartz.com/forum/board.php?id=5

Feel free to trawl through for them.

You're looking for threads from May and June. You may also want to check locked threads from that time

Why did you wait months after it released? I remember tons of "Lol MGS4 bombed" comments from 360 and wii fans and everyone said "The only people who think this is lower than expected are you guys" Why don't you show us a solid link with these expectations? they couldn't do it when this game launched. We shouldn't have to scrounge up links because of your claims. that proof is on you.

This thread is flaimbait and I'm reporting you.

Report away. One glance at your first post in this thread and I suspect your report will backfire.

I try to see how things play out before suddenly jumping to conclusions over one or two week's data. Surely months on from launch is a better time to gauge a title's success than the week after it is released?

 

i dont consider this thread to be flaimbait. Starcraft asked a question, and gave his opinion.

thats why i am started to get fucked off with this site man, you are not to have an opinion on anything. You have to pretend that everything is perfect and all nice and rosey well i am sorry it sint. somethung i like someone else wont, its how you put your views across and not what you think of it which makes a topic flamebait.

example

MGS4 failed to meet expactations, hahaha lol, the game bombed. delaystation/decaystation why spen so much time on crappy graphics whe game-play is shit. gameplay>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>graphics.

MGS4 failed to meet expectations in my opinion. Many people defo the sony fanboys claimed that the game was going to sell 6-8 million and now the game seems like it is going to fall short of that and sell the least out of all MGS games excluding spinoffs and xbox versions. the graphics are ok/good but the game-play is kinda meh. gameplay is more important then graphics.

Both replies mean the same thing but are diff was of saying them, so grow up and stop reporting everyone that does not agree with you. how crap would this site get if everyone loved every game and every system and always agreed with everything you say.

SORRY FOR THE REALLY LONG REPLY FELLAS, HAD TO BE SAID

Wow.

wow? whats all that about starcraft lmao

Haha.  I was just surprised at the forcefullness of the outburst lol.

 



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starcraft on 17 September 2008
CGI-Quality said:
@ LOL MATURE

I agree all of his posts/comments/threads are fullof uneducated hatred - but hey it is Starcraft after all.

Hatred?

And I resent the uneducated comment.

I'm not the world's brightest guy, but I am fairly well educated.

 



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HanzoTheRazor on 17 September 2008
KylieDog said:
shanbcn said:
lol
Just 4 million LTD? At the end of the year 4.5 million MGS4 will be sold. Remember great game always have great legs.

 

Poor legs for MGS4 then?

 

(I bought a damn PS3 for that crap, I earned the right to forever slate that game!)

 

 

Seriously though, MGS4 sales are through being bundled with the only BC PS3 unit.  Is why it is selling more in the US despite bigger PS3 numbers in Europe, and europe having the history of selling more MGS games.

 

When that bundle stops so do MGS4 sales.


The bundle has been discontinued and is almost impossible to find.

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HanzoTheRazor on 17 September 2008

^^ Also, MGS3 is still selling, so why wouldn't MGS4 keep selling for this long too???

All great things keep on living.



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Opinions are subjective and just like moods, can change.

TOP 12: Deus Ex, Shadow Man, Castlevania: Symphony of the Night, Shin Megami Tensei: Nocturn, Castlevania: Lords of Shadow, Metroid Prime, Zelda (series), Uncharted (series), FF Tactics, Persona (series), Demons Souls, Vagrant Story.

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Dallinor on 17 September 2008
bbsin said:
starcraft said:

The average sales of the first three MGS titles was 5 million, not including spin-offs and Xbox versions.

MGS4 is tracking to come in to around 4 million lifetime according to VGChartz, unless it sees ungodly sales during the holiday period, or bundling (of which it has already had a great deal). Given this title had an enormous budget compared to previous titles (even when taking account of the progression to the next generation), did MGS4 fail to meet its sales expectations?

Note: Due to Sony moneyhatting, and solid sales of the game, I am positive Konami made a reasonable amount of profit on the game.

 

Did MGS4 fail to meet expectations of Konami? No, they probably made alot of money on it via Sony funding and bundles.

Did MGS4 fail to meet expectations of MGS fanboys? No, they bought the game, played it, and enjoyed it.

Did MGS4 fail to meet expectations of Sony? No, They moved quite a bit of systems and put a jolt in their game library.

Did MGS4 fail to meet expectations of Kojima? Yes, there wasn't enough time or resources to make the game as he envisioned ......as always.

Did MGS4 fail to meet expectations of Microsoft? Yes, they got absolutely pummeled that month.

Did MGS4 fail to meet expectations of Starcraft? No, "because he's not into these type of games" and if he we're, he'd play Splinter Cell instead.

Did Sony money hat Konami into making this game exclusive? Yes.

Did Microsoft money hat SquareEnix, NamcoBandai and other publishers into making DLC and exclusive games for them? Yes.

Are MGS4 sales going to come to a complete halt right now? No

Did i expect MGS4 to reach 3 million lifetime? Yes

Do I feel stupid now? Yes

Are my questions annoying anyone? Maybe.

Should I stop? Yes

Will I stop? No.

Your last few posts have been great.