It probably failed Sony's expectations, but not Konami's. Konami knew what it would sell and it did quite well. Sony really really wanted a system seller that would permanantly put them well above the Xbox 360 forever but it didnt. They at minimum wanted a similar effect to Halo 3 but they had to do a $100 price cut during the week of the launch and bundle the game to have a similar effect

 Uh... 2 things.

A. We probablly don't track those backwood sellers in the middle of boofoo land so those numbers probablly aren't in our data (what the 50 units that are out there will really effect it)

B. Who ever buys those is obviously looking for the MGS4 bundle and obviously wants one for... MGS4... how is that any different than purchasing a Ps3 and MGS4 seperate? It isn't. It should be in the data

If it failed Sony expectations Sony obviously would have had more bundles available on day one.

It looks to me like they actually really underestimated the MGS4 effect in NA...

WHat 100$ price cut the week of the launch ? The price of the PS3 hasn't changed for now one year...

 Lol i wasn't going to comment on that idiotic statement but she is refering to the walmart 100 dollar gift-card after buying ANY blu-ray player.

It exceeded Sony's expectations.

Remember retailers were angry at Sony, saying they could have sold three times as many MGS4 bundles then they received from Sony.

Starcraft, if you look at previously MGS games, you will notice they have long legs. Look at the opening week of MGS3 in NA for example.

Just to put this troll of a thread to rest.

First week sales

Darth, disolitude, johnsobas - TOTAL --- 1. 4 Million (Met expectations.)

Eagleeyes and elias - 1m (Severely under estimated MGS4 so it met their expectations.... funny those are both xbox fanboys)

arzm2k - Total: 1.6million (right fucking on)

obieslut - WW=1.6 million edited lol more closer to 2 million. (Holy crap. A huge ps3 fanboy... right on)

rock_on - SW= 2 million copies of MGS 4 sold. (Overestimated but not by much and we all know it is a joke account who makes the Ps3 seem godly... so... basically if he thought it would sell close to 2m he would have said 3.)

Famine - SW - 1.8 - 2 million (Pretty freaking close AND "Pretty optimistic for this one particular game." They were being optimistic. Basicaslly they were saying they were expecting it to be lower.

Imperial - S.W 800k-1.5 (Severly underestimated)

libellule - TOTAL --- 1. 5 Million (spot on)

revelutions - MGS software 1.5m worldwide

prosugno - TOTAL --- 1. 367 Million

munkeh - Total: 1.65m

koffieboon - Total - 1350k

rowles - 1400K SW

slimbeast - total = 1.5 million (1st year sales near 4 million, lifetime around 5 million)

sami630 - 1700k SW

thx1139 - MGS4 will sell 1-1.5 million copies initial week.

dark_dragoon - Total: 1.2 million

jjseth - SW: 1.9 Million units

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Crazzyman - Total = 1.8 million, but there is chance to reach 2 mln. (Almost spot on he didn't make some crazy prediction... but at the time everyone thought this would be impossible)

mitsuhide - WW: 1.4 million

Noobie - NA 325k
Others 275k
Jap 125k

Ding ding!

Another hollow victory for starcraft.

Getting out on technicalities seems like all you are able to do, instead of having a conversation about anything.

Well whatever, apparently, throwing "Seem" or "maybe" or "could" makes any statement less definite.  Shame that you can't have a backbone, be a man, and say what you mean, not all of your usual speculative bull.

So, back to the topic at hand, where are said links to the 6-8 million predictions by MGS fans?  If not, then I'll go back to my topic of most of your posts being speculation.

Did you seriously just attack me for lacking "backbone?"

Whenever you face an argument you think you cannot definitively win, you try to detract from the validity of the argument by claiming anything involved with it is "speculation."  This of course is a truistic argument that if broadly applied would render useless almost any and all discussion on these boards.

Interestingly, a complete double-standard exists in that you never apply this yardstick too yourself, or more broadly, any PS3 fans.

Blah blah blah.

Back to what started the argument.

Can you please link me to the "6-8 mil" predictions for the game?

If not, don't bother replying.

Oh of course, dodge the issue and take it 'back to basics' when someone points out a floor in your methodology.

Here is the way you are thinking:

You can't win the technicalities argument having dug yourself a giant hole with all this speculation nonsense, so now you are hoping for one of two things.  If I don't give a link, you will claim that this entire thread is baseless and that it is fundamentally flawed.  If I can give a link, you will set about attempting to discredit whichever poster made the prediction, as though this would in some way win you the argument despite my never having said I lent credence to the prediction itself.

Essentially, you have decided you cannot win, so you are trying to turn this into an indefinite debate.

After all, an indefinite debate is a debate that cannot be lost.