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S.T.A.G.E. on 03 September 2008
chenguo4 said:
TheTruthHurts! said:
S.T.A.G.E. said: I'll buy the system, but I cannot deny when I see progress that I never thought that i'd see out of MS.

This sentence from a consumer is why MS is doing so well this Gen. MS's gaming division is listening to the consumers, making great games, and cutting prices. All (WINS), heading into a big holiday season. Especially when you have a console (Effective Sept 5th) that is now $200 dollars cheaper than its direct competitor.

Wow....I cant wait to see the numbers in January.

 

The $199 arcade technically is more in competition with the Wii. Holiday shopping is very much price dictated, and people looking to spend ~200-250 on a console will be deciding between the Wii and the Arcade. The Wii, if they can find one, should win if this gen has taught us anything. 

 

The Premum and Elites are gonna be the ones competing with the PS3, and they are at what, $299 and $399? So they only drop $50. It'll definitely have an effect, but when the PS3 is only $100 more than the Premium, and same price as the Elite, it wont make too much difference.

 

 The $199 may be in competition with the Wii, but Microsoft is more focused on giving Sony a heart attack.



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psrock on 03 September 2008
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they have no choice.

 

 Of course they have a choice. It's the perfect way to kick off the new holiday season.

 

no, it's the only way to keep up.

 

 Y

 

Question? I'll try not to insult you. Do you know what a fanboy is?

 

 

 "I hope you know that this price drop could cause Microsoft to sell 4-6 Mil consoles worldwide all the way to the end of the holiday season. Sony cannot take a hit like that this year."

This.

You're hilarious. Thats a fair estimate. You're just nutthugging Sony so badly that you don't understand that. You're failing to realize that. I am neither on Microsofts side nor on Sony's side. I will be a proud owner of both systems, but you fail to realize that Microsoft is at the stage where they can profit off of the lower/middle class within the market. Sony has a year until they can reach the $299, $200 where the sales count. By then Microsoft could be 6-7 million consoles ahead. That would be an 1.7-2.3 million stretch. 

 

I am funny as hell. btw, I am actually happy MS is lowering their prices, I wish Sony would too. I just like playing with fanboys emotions.

 

LOL I don't see the point of being a fanboy. It's not worth my time. I have things to do. I'll buy the system, but I cannot deny when I see progress that I never thought that i'd see out of MS.

 

 

So you really havent seen MS history. they are known for killing the competition with price cuts, Bundling IE windows, and more. They are a master at competing. I actually expected more from them this Gen espacially after Sony singlehandledly messed up their chances early on.

1. They came out first

2. they have the best game library

3. they were always cheaper.

4. Better third party support.

5. Live

MS has all the advantages this Gen, yet sadly they will end up last.

1. Sony already did that with the PS2.

2. So was the PS2

3. So was the PS2

4. The PS3 still has better third party support, MS just took Sony's top selling 3rd parties.

5. Always has been better than PSN.

You have no facts to back up what you're saying. I would like to see your end of the year projections. Please, i'd love to see them.

 

 

PS2 WON THOUGH. LOL

All i know is the PS3 will sell more www than the 360  this year period.



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S.T.A.G.E. on 03 September 2008
psrock said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
psrock said:
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psrock said:
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psrock said:
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psrock said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
psrock said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
psrock said:
they have no choice.

 

 Of course they have a choice. It's the perfect way to kick off the new holiday season.

 

no, it's the only way to keep up.

 

 Y

 

Question? I'll try not to insult you. Do you know what a fanboy is?

 

 

 "I hope you know that this price drop could cause Microsoft to sell 4-6 Mil consoles worldwide all the way to the end of the holiday season. Sony cannot take a hit like that this year."

This.

You're hilarious. Thats a fair estimate. You're just nutthugging Sony so badly that you don't understand that. You're failing to realize that. I am neither on Microsofts side nor on Sony's side. I will be a proud owner of both systems, but you fail to realize that Microsoft is at the stage where they can profit off of the lower/middle class within the market. Sony has a year until they can reach the $299, $200 where the sales count. By then Microsoft could be 6-7 million consoles ahead. That would be an 1.7-2.3 million stretch. 

 

I am funny as hell. btw, I am actually happy MS is lowering their prices, I wish Sony would too. I just like playing with fanboys emotions.

 

LOL I don't see the point of being a fanboy. It's not worth my time. I have things to do. I'll buy the system, but I cannot deny when I see progress that I never thought that i'd see out of MS.

 

 

So you really havent seen MS history. they are known for killing the competition with price cuts, Bundling IE windows, and more. They are a master at competing. I actually expected more from them this Gen espacially after Sony singlehandledly messed up their chances early on.

1. They came out first

2. they have the best game library

3. they were always cheaper.

4. Better third party support.

5. Live

MS has all the advantages this Gen, yet sadly they will end up last.

1. Sony already did that with the PS2.

2. So was the PS2

3. So was the PS2

4. The PS3 still has better third party support, MS just took Sony's top selling 3rd parties.

5. Always has been better than PSN.

You have no facts to back up what you're saying. I would like to see your end of the year projections. Please, i'd love to see them.

 

 

PS2 WON THOUGH. LOL

All i know is the PS3 will sell more www than the 360  this year period.

Give me some numbers that I can work with please. Please.

 



psrock on 03 September 2008

I expect the lead to be cut to 4 million by next year.



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chenguo4 on 03 September 2008
S.T.A.G.E. said:
chenguo4 said:
TheTruthHurts! said:
S.T.A.G.E. said: I'll buy the system, but I cannot deny when I see progress that I never thought that i'd see out of MS.

This sentence from a consumer is why MS is doing so well this Gen. MS's gaming division is listening to the consumers, making great games, and cutting prices. All (WINS), heading into a big holiday season. Especially when you have a console (Effective Sept 5th) that is now $200 dollars cheaper than its direct competitor.

Wow....I cant wait to see the numbers in January.

 

The $199 arcade technically is more in competition with the Wii. Holiday shopping is very much price dictated, and people looking to spend ~200-250 on a console will be deciding between the Wii and the Arcade. The Wii, if they can find one, should win if this gen has taught us anything. 

 

The Premum and Elites are gonna be the ones competing with the PS3, and they are at what, $299 and $399? So they only drop $50. It'll definitely have an effect, but when the PS3 is only $100 more than the Premium, and same price as the Elite, it wont make too much difference.

 

 The $199 may be in competition with the Wii, but Microsoft is more focused on giving Sony a heart attack.

 

Well, my point wasn't what MS is trying to do. My point is, the Arcade wont be as successful as people think because the Wii's already got the low-price market cornered.

 

 




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De85 on 03 September 2008
cleveland124 said:
Cueil said:
ManusJustus said:

First rule of economics: Only consider cost and benefit in the future, not the past. It doesnt matter if XBox made a billion dollars or lost a billion dollars in the past, the only thing Microsoft should (and since they are ran by people who understand economics, do) consider is potential costs and benefits in the future.

 

while true you can get a picture about how a price drop or a large game could effect sales... we look at the past to get an idea of the future because the trends don't generally buck unless something huge happens

 

I would go one step farther and say the best indicator of the future is the past. That's why such an emphasis is placed on financial statements. Or do we need that graph that shows the Wii actually decreasing in userbase near the end of it's life while the PS3 doubles each year?

 

I don't think either of the two of you understood what ManusJustus was trying to say.  Yes, past sales trends can be used to get a feel for the future, but that's not what he's talking about.  What he's saying is that it wouldn't matter to MS's investors if the Xbox division was 1 trillion dollars in the hole already.  If, based on their profit margins and expected sales, they think the division will make money then they will continue to operate regardless of past losses.



TheTruthHurts! on 03 September 2008

@psrock....4 mil sounds realistic....compared to a lot of the other UN-realistic (PS3 less than 2mil Jan 2009) crap that floats around. Thanks for keeping it real.



JaggedSac on 03 September 2008
RolStoppable said:
Just for your information: It's possible to delete some of the older quote boxes, so your posts don't have be several screens long.

 

I was just about to post this.



dante on 03 September 2008

all u need to do is buy the console with 2 full priced games, or 1 year of online and they have already made profit on a sold in and arcade 360 they probably are starting at profit with the 2 other models



S.T.A.G.E. on 04 September 2008
chenguo4 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
chenguo4 said:
TheTruthHurts! said:
S.T.A.G.E. said: I'll buy the system, but I cannot deny when I see progress that I never thought that i'd see out of MS.

This sentence from a consumer is why MS is doing so well this Gen. MS's gaming division is listening to the consumers, making great games, and cutting prices. All (WINS), heading into a big holiday season. Especially when you have a console (Effective Sept 5th) that is now $200 dollars cheaper than its direct competitor.

Wow....I cant wait to see the numbers in January.

 

The $199 arcade technically is more in competition with the Wii. Holiday shopping is very much price dictated, and people looking to spend ~200-250 on a console will be deciding between the Wii and the Arcade. The Wii, if they can find one, should win if this gen has taught us anything. 

 

The Premum and Elites are gonna be the ones competing with the PS3, and they are at what, $299 and $399? So they only drop $50. It'll definitely have an effect, but when the PS3 is only $100 more than the Premium, and same price as the Elite, it wont make too much difference.

 

 The $199 may be in competition with the Wii, but Microsoft is more focused on giving Sony a heart attack.

 

Well, my point wasn't what MS is trying to do. My point is, the Arcade wont be as successful as people think because the Wii's already got the low-price market cornered.

 

 

 

Microsoft cannot face off with Nintendo for this reason aside from what you're saying. Nintendo's consoles production costs are around $180. They can afford to drop the Wii down $100 if they want. They've been making profit off of name value and the new casual market. This is why I could care less to talk about them. I'm not worried about Nintendo going up against Microsoft. I'm happy for Nintendo and they stand alone this gen.