I'm not arguing that Killzone 2 will be huge or small, or great or horrible, sell well or sell bad.  I was just pointing out that your whole post (like many others of yours) are complete speculation, as you can't prove that it was delayed for quality reasons, you can't prove that it was worked on pre-Killzone: Liberation, you can't prove that it costs 60 million, and you can't prove that the game is sub-par.  I don't know if you've been to court before, but if you're the one slinging accusations, generally, you have to back them up, it's not my job to prove the points are false, it's your juob, being the accuser, to prove to me your points. 

So, I'd like to see your links to all of your accusations or we can just end the argument here, since your argument is baseless.

http://www.1up.com/do/previewPage?cId=3169561&p=37

http://www.joystiq.com/2008/08/25/joystiq-hands-on-killzone-2-multiplayer/

http://gamesblog.ugo.com/index.php/gamesblog/more/killzone_2_multiplayer_hands_on_preview

if GamesRadar's handson is "evidence" then I guess I win since I have more ^^

Actually DMeisterJ, I have been to court many times, having spent 18 months working at an Australian law firm.  Firstly I'll point out that phrases I used here such as "perhaps" and "possible" directly acknowledge that something cannot be proven.  Equally, you are unable to tell me with any certainty that I am incorrect, as everything I have posted in this thread has at least some circumstantial evidence in existence to support it, and you have no conclusive evidence to negate it.

Secondly I will point out that this is not court, this is a web forum.  Common courtesy suggests that for contentious points of view or little known pieces of information you provide links.  Here I have only made the logical acknowledgement that a possible reason for Killzone 2's delay to one of gaming's dead time periods (February) is quality issues.  I made this comment in light of the fact that Gamesradar is unimpressed with the title's multiplayer.  Had I said "Killzone 2 was delayed because it sucks" I would have been required by courtesy to provide a link.

Finally I will point out that it is somewhat contradictory to suggest that everyone must provide hard evidence to support their ideas before turning around and without any evidenciary support telling me that my argument is "baseless"............

I value GamesRadar's opionon more than I do those other sites. It is the same as me valuing Roger Ebert's opinion about movies more than other reviewers. If you value the opinion of those other sites more than GR, then KZ2's MP looks promising. If you value GR's opinion more than the opinions of the other sites, then KZ2's MP does not look so promising.

Their entire review of Killzone2 is a retarded, did any of you read what they said.

"FPS which during our hands-on took up to a week to respond to control inputs"
Then they must have been playing with their ass, the game has smooth gameplay, this is clear in any of the video's.

"Masked the action with a layer of post-processed vaseline at every opportunity."
We have seen the game being played, this line is just stupid.

"Sluggish, terrible to control, and seemingly on a steadfast mission to confuse the player."
These are just terrible lies, they must think we are fucking retarded to believe what they are saying.

This site is the dumbest shit i have ever read on the entire internet and anybody who believes the nonsense they are saying deserves to die.

Sony Defense Forces assemble, as you might have read a few minutes ago Gamesrader proclaimed the Killzones multiplayer sucked. Well we reject these comments as patently false, because our patriotic hearts say so.

Step one we will attack them as unreliable, and proclaim them haters of the lowest order. We will refer to them as enemy agents, and imply they have sex with farm animals. We shall lastly question their qualification to make this statement.

Step two we will present explanations as to why they must be wrong about what they said. I highly recommend that we imply someone spilled a slushy on the PS3, and the console had to shrug off the chills. Perhaps we can imply that they were on mind altering substances, and that they failed to read the manual. Which would have made them understand that this game was owned.

Step three we will commence with a diversion. We shall start flame wars in other threads to divert attention from our true objective of filling this thread with only our positive comments. For any that speak against us we shall attack them personally, and whenever possible change the subject to something else entirely. Above all protect the flank protect the flank.

Step four sometimes it is our duty to kill those who do not agree with us in our holy cause. So if the opportunity arises to knife these bastards we shall do so. Then we will rape their women, and imply we raped their farm animals as well.

This is supposed to be funny have a laugh. The writing is on the wall Killzone 2 looks pretty but sucks underneath.

I had a nice, long, and beautiful respons all typed out for you, but then I remembered that you're not worth my precious time.

I don't even know how this became a Killzone 2 argument, as I was not defending the review of KZ2, but the fact that GamesRadar can score games only playing them for ten minutes, which is what my post about.  For some reason you took that as my defending Killzone (Why else would you quote me and mention Killzone) and here we are.

So if you'd like to continue your line of trolling, then be my guest, but until you can prove to me anything of the things you alluded to in your post, your argument will be baseless, and pure speculation.

Apparently neither I nor anyone else will ever be able to "prove" anything to YOU due to your determination not to READ replies to your posts.  I would think it is taken as a given that Gamesradar is only rating the ten minute experience they got with each game, as opposed to the finished games they have not yet played. 

Noone else in this thread seems to have missed that concept.  Your last line largely shot you in the foot.  I did of course only allude, speculate and guess based on the circumstantial evidence we have before us.  If we were only going to discuss proven facts on these boards, we would not be on here very often.  And you of course ignored the fact that you can no more disprove any of my claims than I can prove them.  Of course I, unlike you, feel no need to turn this into a pissing contest, because as I pointed out, I am only speculating based on the circumstantial evidence available to us.

I guess its easy to say it sucks underneath when you have never seen a video of the game or read any article on the game, except for retarded fanboy rantings by some bitch at gamesradar.

GR has no opinion, that bitch never even played the fucking game, he made up a bunch of fucking nonsense that is pure lies.