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DMeisterJ on 27 August 2008
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starcraft said:
DMeisterJ said:
starcraft said:
DMeisterJ said:

Killzone: Liberation wasn't done until Mid-2006, then they started work on KZ2 afer that.  So that's 2.5 years, rather than 4-5.  And the sixty million is speculation.

But this wasn't about Killzone 2, it was about how any game can get a score after ten minutes of playtime. 

But if you'd like to turn this into a Killzone 2 argument, I'm more than happy to have a convo about this and how you are grossly incorrect in your assumption that there are quality reasons for delay.

But if you'd like to end your sordid attempt at trolling, be my guest, since you're about as off-topic as you could get.

I think the $60 million figure has come up enough times for us to think it is quite possible, particularly given the developmental resources we know have been dedicated to this game.  They presented the KZ2 trailer at E3 2005 did they not?  Do you have a link indicating that Guerilla (which I believe now has some 125 staff) didn't begin KZ2 until after Liberation?

Do you have some evidence contrary to GamesRadar's hands-on opinion that Killzone 2's multiplayer is sub-par?

I'm not arguing that Killzone 2 will be huge or small, or great or horrible, sell well or sell bad.  I was just pointing out that your whole post (like many others of yours) are complete speculation, as you can't prove that it was delayed for quality reasons, you can't prove that it was worked on pre-Killzone: Liberation, you can't prove that it costs 60 million, and you can't prove that the game is sub-par.  I don't know if you've been to court before, but if you're the one slinging accusations, generally, you have to back them up, it's not my job to prove the points are false, it's your juob, being the accuser, to prove to me your points. 

So, I'd like to see your links to all of your accusations or we can just end the argument here, since your argument is baseless.

Actually DMeisterJ, I have been to court many times, having spent 18 months working at an Australian law firm.  Firstly I'll point out that phrases I used here such as "perhaps" and "possible" directly acknowledge that something cannot be proven.  Equally, you are unable to tell me with any certainty that I am incorrect, as everything I have posted in this thread has at least some circumstantial evidence in existence to support it, and you have no conclusive evidence to negate it.

Secondly I will point out that this is not court, this is a web forum.  Common courtesy suggests that for contentious points of view or little known pieces of information you provide links.  Here I have only made the logical acknowledgement that a possible reason for Killzone 2's delay to one of gaming's dead time periods (February) is quality issues.  I made this comment in light of the fact that Gamesradar is unimpressed with the title's multiplayer.  Had I said "Killzone 2 was delayed because it sucks" I would have been required by courtesy to provide a link.

Finally I will point out that it is somewhat contradictory to suggest that everyone must provide hard evidence to support their ideas before turning around and without any evidenciary support telling me that my argument is "baseless"............

I had a nice, long, and beautiful respons all typed out for you, but then I remembered that you're not worth my precious time.

I don't even know how this became a Killzone 2 argument, as I was not defending the review of KZ2, but the fact that GamesRadar can score games only playing them for ten minutes, which is what my post about.  For some reason you took that as my defending Killzone (Why else would you quote me and mention Killzone) and here we are.

So if you'd like to continue your line of trolling, then be my guest, but until you can prove to me anything of the things you alluded to in your post, your argument will be baseless, and pure speculation.