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S.T.A.G.E. said:
Jo21 said:
Mummelmann said:
I'd have to say no and no. Loosing FFXIII exclusivity was this gen's most epic fail imo.

 

RRoD.

a 30% failure rate its harder than loosing exclusitiy

its not like the ps3 isn't getting the game.

 

 

The 360 had a 30% failure rate in 2006. It's nearly the end of 2008 and the there has to be around 5 % now.

 

uhg, no. My store gets at least 2-3 360's traded in a week with some illness or another. If it is not RROD then its drive failure, or Disc Tray breaking, etc. The system is faulty and poorly made, no argument can save it from that. The failure rate is still about 30% even without RROD.

 



      

      

      

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Let them finish FFV and FFVI remakes for the DS before stepping up into the PS1 games. Anyways I agree that the next big title for non-hanheld consoles will be for the HDs, though it may come as early as 2011 or as late as 2015.



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PS3 owners shouldnt be - they are still getting the game
360 owners shouldnt be - they are also getting this game

Anyone who says rubbish like GTA4 would have been better if it was PS3 exclusive is being unrealistic. Maybe the graphics might have been a tiny bit better due to the larger texture capacity but I'm sure the 360 version could have been better if all time had been spent working on its version as well. Either way we are talking about a tiny percentage here or there anyhow. Bare in mind that for a game like FFVIII no 360 owner would have any issue with it appearin on multiple disks, 10 disk loads (hypothetically!) over the course of a 60 hour experience is nothing espeicially if you are switching disks anyway to play other games.

Surely this announcement is simple business sense and the only people to be disheartened are the Sony marketing machine. Having *rough estimate at time of release* twice the console audience to sell a fantastic game is going to make you more cash.

I find statements like these hard to believe seeing as how Halo, an exclusive game, has sold more then many multiplat games today. This proves that a game with a huge budget and a significant fanbase can do just fine staying an exclusive.

And this marketing move was obviously a forcing of SE's hand by MS. They have wanted it for so long. In an interview MS completely evades a chance to say they did not pay for it. MS has also payed for smaller games to go MP, so why wouldnt they for one of the biggest franchises ever?


Square Enix have even more incentive to produce a fantastic sequel, lets all celebrate and just look forward to a *hopefully* cracking game.

 

 

 

 

while everyone is entitled to there own opinion I must STRONGLY disagree.  The gap between the two systems is much larger then most want to admit. Even with all the developers saying the PS3 is more powerful no one ones to believe it simply because the games are not showing it yet, this is sensible. But with all this Multiplat Garbage the systems will never be able to prove it now will they? A console cannot prove its superiority through multiplats, it has to be an EXCLUSIVE so it can use FULL specs. Blu Ray still is not being fully utilized, with most games only scratching the surface.

And of course no 360 gamer would have a problem with yet ANOTHER PS3 game going multiplatform, what does that prove? THat there are actually games that 360 audience want that was on the other system, thats what. Meaning any sales generated from 360 would have simply been added to the PS3 total console sales. Exclusives make a connsole, otherwise people will just look for the cheapest one they can find. This is what is going on right now with some games jumping ship. Resident Evil, FF, DMC, etc all these games jumped to multiplatform with little to show for it besides a lot of pissed off fanboys/girls. The only people losing this gen are the console owners, multiplat will be the death of both of them because without deciding games to sway a buyers vote they simply will remain splitting the audience instead of sharing it.

 



      

      

      

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Soriku said:
forevercloud3000 said:
The remake of FF7 on the PS3 would cement it's future as console leader once more. I mean think about it....that is the game that put the PS1 over the competition remember? The game's fanbase out numbers even Halo's with over 10million sold world wide. That game was a masterpiece and to bring it to the HD console would just have me jiz all over myself.

And there would be no way that game would come to Wii or 360, sony owns partial rights to the game. I believe Sony Published the game and Sony allowed it to go to PC and such through a special deal with Square. Sony also has a very good tie with Square and it's developers. The only person they would have make the game would be Tetsuya Nomura for he was part of the original cast and gave many of the plot ideas for the original game. Tetsuya love PS3, Hates 360, indifferent about Wii.

PS3 for the win!!!!!

 

So much wrong.

Paragraph 1: wat. The PS1 was way ahead of the N64 before FF7 launched. Why do people not realize this? FF7 just made it a much better console...didn't put it in first place because it was already there.

As for the fan base, haha what? The game didn't break 10 million, and how do we know from that 10 million the people who disliked it or wouldn't buy a remake? Just because they bought it doesn't mean they like it. The fanbase is less than the supposed 10 million, and we all know SW sold a lot better on the PS1 than the PS3, so no, it wouldn't even get close to 10 million. FF XIII won't get close to 10 million on the PS3....and you expect a FF7 remake to?

Paragraph 2: Sony owns no rights to FF7. None at all. They published the game, doesn't mean they have the rights. That's like saying SE owns the rights to the KH series because they ublished it. Or MS owns the rights to Gears of War because they published it. And so on. Besides, FF7 characters have appeared on Nintendo systems before. See KH: CoM. Also, a remake would be different from the original game so the "rights" stuff is absolutely wrong.

As for Nomura, when did he say he hated the 360? Any evidence? Any at all? He hasn't even commented about it. He also never commented on the Wii. We don't know what he feels about them at all. He could really like them, he might dislike them, who knows. Point is he hasn't commented and we don't know for sure. Though if he was going to make a game exclusive to them I'd highly assume that he'd be enthusiastic about them.

Final Fantasy is to PS1 as Disney was to Blu Ray, the final straw to break the camels back. Once FFVII hit the PS1 there was no hope for NIN making ANY sort of comeback for 2 generations. This is the kind of power that FFVII held.

 

Sales of Final Fantasy VII: the best selling Final Fantasy EVER!

http://www.vgchartz.com/games/game.php?id=756&region=All

One of the many articles stating how Tetsuya favors the PS3....

http://www.gamegrep.com/news/2956-tetsuya_nomura_gives_props_to_ps3_wants_to_experiment_with_final_fantasy_gameplay/

Cant find the one where he says he does not like the 360's architecture, hate is an exageration, but he still does not like it. Wii he has given no real stance on, hence indifferent.

Never the less, you simply cannot ignore the success of this particular game. The game was loved by many, hated by few. You simply are one of those who dont like to appear as if they are conforming with the masses so they say they hate something or pretend as if it was the worst thing ever.

A Final Fantasy VII remake may not make 10mil but hey, if Halo can make 8mil as an exclusive why can't a game that has more background and fanbase do it?

 

 



      

      

      

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errorrrr said:
Soriku said:
errorrrr said:
Why would FFVII be remade on the DS with worse graphics??? The single most requested feature of FFVII remake was better graphic... a DS remake of FFVII will completely defeat the purpose of FFVII remake...

Wha are you talking about? The DS's graphics are better than the PS1's (ands N64's).

Look at FF VII:



Now compare it to something like FF4:

I don't see much of ANY improvement from PS1's FFVII (PS) and FFIV (DS). Btw DS graphic is NOT better than PS1... I don't know where you get that crazy idea from...

FFIX on PS1


This is original FF4 which on the DS Showed DRASTIC improvement


why don't you look at this? FFVII- Crisis Core. THIS as the new FFVII engine at least showed some drastic improvment.

Okay, errorrrr, perhaps I should have spelled this out:  when I said "a Nintendo handheld" I did NOT mean the DS but the successor to the DS.  I do not think they will come out with a FFV remake and a FFVI remake AND a FFVII remake before the next generation of handhelds.

But the DS IS in fact a more powerful system than the PS1.  It has been said that the DS is comparable in power to the N64 which was actually much stronger than its competitor; but the tiny texture cache made it look bad and the hardware was difficult to develop for very well.  (Incidentally, after reading the Wikipedia page about how much extra work was apparently needed to get the most out of the N64, the comparisons to the PS3 become almost scary.)



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axumblade said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Jo21 said:
Mummelmann said:
I'd have to say no and no. Loosing FFXIII exclusivity was this gen's most epic fail imo.

 

RRoD.

a 30% failure rate its harder than loosing exclusitiy

its not like the ps3 isn't getting the game.

 

 

The 360 had a 30% failure rate in 2006. It's nearly the end of 2008 and the there has to be around 5 % now.

 

Typical 360 fanboy damage control

 

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forevercloud3000 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Jo21 said:
Mummelmann said:
I'd have to say no and no. Loosing FFXIII exclusivity was this gen's most epic fail imo.

 

RRoD.

a 30% failure rate its harder than loosing exclusitiy

its not like the ps3 isn't getting the game.

 

 

The 360 had a 30% failure rate in 2006. It's nearly the end of 2008 and the there has to be around 5 % now.

 

uhg, no. My store gets at least 2-3 360's traded in a week with some illness or another. If it is not RROD then its drive failure, or Disc Tray breaking, etc. The system is faulty and poorly made, no argument can save it from that. The failure rate is still about 30% even without RROD.

 

 

 Your store is one place. There are literally millions of Xbox 360's that have been shipped out. The 30% failure rate was 2 years ago. Let it go. You're only looking for reasons to hate the 360 because it's Sony's biggest rival right now. 



forevercloud3000 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Jo21 said:
Mummelmann said:
I'd have to say no and no. Loosing FFXIII exclusivity was this gen's most epic fail imo.
RRoD.

a 30% failure rate its harder than loosing exclusitiy

its not like the ps3 isn't getting the game.
The 360 had a 30% failure rate in 2006. It's nearly the end of 2008 and the there has to be around 5 % now.
uhg, no. My store gets at least 2-3 360's traded in a week with some illness or another. If it is not RROD then its drive failure, or Disc Tray breaking, etc. The system is faulty and poorly made, no argument can save it from that. The failure rate is still about 30% even without RROD.

So may I assume your store only sells 6-9 360s a week?  Because that is what would have to be true to justify your anecdote.  (2/6 and 3/9 = 33%)  And in any case your anecdote is not overall truth. 

On the other hand, I do believe that the 360's RRoD and other problems make for the most epic failure of this gen hands down.  No contest -- well, unless you count Sony PR, but the 360 is still worse.



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My advice to fanboys: Brag about stuff that's true, not about stuff that's false. Predict stuff that's likely, not stuff that's unlikely. You will be happier, and we will be happier.

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Why all think FFVII HD will be the ultimate game? A remake almost never sold as much as the original, a example is the Pokemon Red/Blue/Green on GBA, it sold 2/3 less than the originals and Pokemon Red/Blue/green was a game at least 3 times more important than FFVII.