| Zuhyc said: What is this guy smoking? |
whatever it is, get me some of that shit ! .. i mean .. DAMN it must really be good.
no seriously.. i lol'd when i read this topic.
I mean, i can see it from his point of view. But he is just full of ... stuff that comes out your arse.
And in some countrys there are no excuse. They don't localise for denmark. At the outmost i've seen subs in a game. But usually we don't even have a danish manual.. and i don't mind.. infact i'd rather they stay on their original language, whatever it may be.
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mcdoomer2 said:
I was in Oslo and Stockholm this year and, regarding what you're saying there's only 3 possibilities: 1- You are wrong Here in Portugal almost every series is in english but most of the portuguese only know how to say "hello. how do you do?". Add something of mild dificulty to the mix and that's enough to put them staring at you. Except in algarve i recon, since there's almost the same ammount of english speaking people than portuguese speaking this time of the year. |
I live in denmark, you have the find a child below 10 if you want to find someone who doesen't know english.
.. well close too.. ofcourse it's not norway or sweden but it should mostly be the same there aswel.
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| Dodece said: I think there is an irony to be found in this thread. Posters are saying does he actually think Europeans are this stupid. The real question is how can he not. The Europeans after all have gladly tolerated how his company treats them. More to the point this is the one market that was sold on a console out of name brand loyalty, or so I have been told by all the European system loyalists. Then you have the willing to pay so much more mentality. The Europeans really got bent over the table, and they seemed to have no problem with that. Have you ever heard the saying about there being a fish in the sea for everybody. Well the PS3 is perhaps the social equivalent of a spousal abuser. In which case the Europeans keep coming back for the next beating. Yes it is self destructive, but try explaining that to a spouse that lets the other beat on them. They will always give you the same tired excuses. I am comfortable with my abuser, they do not really mean it, well its my fault that I said anything. I think it is plain to see how Sony views Europe. The thing is Sony will gladly behave like an ass until the Europeans get the courage to stand up to Sony, and demand to be treated better. Until then Sony public relations are going to make comments like these, because Europe will continue to send them positive reinforcement. |
I understand what you're saying and it's true. However just like any abusive relationship it's hard for the abused to leave. What do you suggest they do?
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Well, tobe honest, before the internet. Heck even early on in the PS2s life, the 'delay' of being in PAL regions didn't matter to me I didn't notice it, but with the new world community and information spreading across the globe in seconds, it's only fair that we get things at the same time as everywhere else.
I mean even the games developed here in Europe are usually planned for WorldWide releases but not the other way round. Language barrier shouldn't be an issue in today's modern age as they should be accomidating for it from the off.
All he has to do is back that opinion up like extra content because of the delay. Or better services in general then we might think otherwise.
Hmm, pie.
@Kyros: You're right about peoples english skills. To an extent.
I would say about 50% of people knows english well enough to understand what the talk is about (and that is in Scandinavia). It also varies a lot between areas you're in. The bigger cities usually have more english skilled people, than the smaller towns.
If you didn't know, for example the TV programs are all made in peoples native language, subtitled or dubbed. What do you think is causing that? You'd be able to save a lot of money since people are so good in english.
Look, no matter how you try to look at it, without localisation, you're going to miss a lot of potential customers, since they don't enjoy the game if it requires skill you don't have.
Of course the language barrier isn't something you can't overcome, even i did beat Shadowrun on SNES despite knowing swedish (yes, it was available only in swedish here, thanks to Bergsala AB), but you need motivation to overcome it.
The need for localisation is evident in every form of entertainment, whether we are talking about TV, movies, books or music (yes, even music), so what makes games different?
Look at how popular Singstar is in Europe, it doesn't require learning curve or skill for foreign language.
As for what it comes to localisations on consoles, the first game i remember having localised subtitles was Super Metroid. And even after that, the vast majority of games haven't had language options. Basically only the biggest publishers (Sony, Nintendo, EA) are the ones who really seem to care about localisations.
As for european countries being "PC countries", isn't the PC doing just as good in english speaking countries too?
Gran Canaria should have lots of people with very good skill in english, since the place lives with turism. And that's what i've heard from people. You're the first one i saw complaining about the lack of english-skilled people.
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