1) Half-truth but still, look at the number of games that do not use the feature. You cannot tell me it is being used like thee other two systems. It just is not. That was my point at any rate. Developers will make a request all the time, that does not mean they are making a serious request. At one point (not too long ago), they would find ANY reason to knock Wii and the success. They were willing to call it anything but a gaming machine ect. I could take nothing said by a developer seriously, or everything said by a developer seriously. It just depends on the mood of the gamer. You seem to take their marketing not as seriously. Lastly, you are now retreading. You say, lets not buy into Conduit's marketing and so on, but then go on to hype MadWorld -and blindly- and that was my major issue with your post. If you dislike the game, fine, but do not sit here and try to tell people they should hype another game INSTEAD of this game. There is room for both games to get hype and hopefully big sales.

2) I understand that, but here you are, in this topic hyping MadWorld at thee expense of another game. You have to understand, as a fan of both games, I am looking at your post with a puzzled look on my face. Lets not hype Conduit, lets not buy it immediately because of this hype, but lets hype MadWorld and lets imply that this topic would somehow be more appropriate if it were about that game instead. Simple hypocrisy. Both developers are working pretty hard (from thee onset) and both games are looking deserving of my money.

3) Exactly. But does that mean we should not be excited about Conduit? No. Does that mean we should not purchase it? Definitely not. It means both games should have room in any gamers library. Not one at thee expense of thee other.

4) I am in no way saying one game is better than thee other. That is all I am getting at. I have yet to play either. Excuse me if I believe that both games can get love. At first, it seemed you thought Conduit is undeserving of the hype it is getting. If you think so, then so be it, but do not sit here and tell us that MadWorld is deserving of hype when it has basically shown us nothing so far and is being judged upon its look. Both games look great and one should not be hyped at thee expense of thee other. We should be excited Wii is getting this kind of support in general. Which most of us are. But as far as I am concerned, you were being too harsh on Conduit.

I'm already planning on buying it.

You're really giving me the impression that you don't know what this topic is about. It's not about blindly hyping a title. I already stated that is fine to do. That has nothing to do with the OP. Absolutely nothing. Re-read the OP and then see how far off track you and I are going with what was intended from this topic. In fact, here it is reprinted:

I was reading the wikipedia article about The Conduit and I find out that the game features not only 16 players online but also wiispeak.I don't know but I feel that all nintendo hardcore fans should buy this game not only for support in the future from other third parties since if it sells well people will change their perspective about M rated games for the wii(1).But also since I feel high voltage is the only developer that is trying hard to do something unique for the wii.(2)Everything else is not apart from zack and wiki and no more heroes(those sold decently :( .I hope the conduit sells really well so that the hard work the high voltage is putting pays off.It would be a shame if it bombs :/

Now I'll name off my problems with the OP and how I personally got this point in the argument:

1. All Nintendo fans should buy this game just to support future third party games? Nothing about that statement says, "Buy it because it looks great and looks like it plays great!".

2. High Voltage is the ONLY developer trying hard to do something unique for the Wii? Really? How do you not see where MadWorld fits into that? I named how unique I felt MadWorld is and how not unique The Conduit seems.

Name me one time in the OP where it's stated we should buy The Conduit because of it's quality as a game. Huh? It's not there you say? Precisely.

My intention is not to bash The Conduit as a game. I haven't played it and I don't know how good or bad it is. What I do know from previews is that it's pretty run of the mill currently outside of the fact that it will have awesome Wii controls. Why does it have awesome Wii controls? Simple. Nintendo laid the blueprints down for FPS controls with Metroid Prime 3. The Conduit is an evolution of what Nintendo revolutionized.

The Conduit isn't offering anything another game could not duplicate and improve upon greatly next year and into the future. It is basically the first FPS on the Wii with standard features you would find on any FPS game coming to the PS3, 360 or the PC. Big fish, small pond. Add some more fish into that pond, which is inevitable, and somebody's going to understand how easily they can make another Conduit but add in that great story like Bioshock, that robust online multiplayer like COD4 or that amazing co-op like Halo 3 and Resistance 2(fingers crossed). This is why I feel The Conduit is basically a prince among Wii games and a pauper amongst first person shooters.

Try to apply any of that to MadWorld and you may begin to see why I made the comparison.

1) I understand what thee original topic was about. My issue is with how you handled yourself and not the fact that you disagree with the OP.

2) I already addressed this. There (up until a few hours maybe) was no game play shown of the game you are trying to push here. To this moment, nobody has confirmed playing it. All we had (again, until a few hours before... maybe) is an idea of what the game will be like. Basically, you fall into the same catagory when you end your statements with banter about buying a different game but for all the same reasons basically. At least people have PLAYED Conduit and it seem to be getting steller press from those people and NOT just a developer video. You must understand that I am only trying to get you to see your own hypocrisy.

3) I agree with this, but looking over your previous posts (and maybe I missed it...) I do not see where you said that. You said another game is more worthy, but you did not say, "Hey, what about MadWorld? Is it not also deserving? If not more so? Did you forget about this game and those guys? They are trying as hard as High Voltage, from what I can see." What you did was come off like a fool and then create a hyperbole of hypocrisy.

4) You should not imply that MadWorld is a good game. Nobody can because nobody has played the game. It would be foolish of you to jump the gun like that. For all we know, it is a great idea that ends up poorly executed (like that Rockstar game it is reminding me of more and more frequently). So right now, we have a game people are praising from what they have played, and we have MadWorld. Both I will be buying, but not for the same reasons.

5) I certainly do not think you are trying to bash The Conduit as a game. I just think your, "issues" and your reasoning for why we should be careful are shabby. It has good marketing? It would show success of third parties on the system? You must see where I am coming from. Those are not bad reasons to buy a game. Hell, I am not even sure how I feel about MadWorld after this newest video but I know I am still going to buy it because Nintendo needs that opening. You might not agree, but I am doing my part to ultimately reach the same goal you are. And by the way, I could see if those were thee ONLY reasons to buy the game. But when the people that have actually played the game are saying it is coming along better than their expectation, you really are grasping as straws, and losing your grip each time.

6) Like I said, you can replace The Conduit with any FPS game when comparing it to MadWorld and say the same thing. That does not make the FPS game any less good, it just shows that both games have a place in the market. A good thing. You seem to make it more of an either or with your approach.

Like I said, for me, I would recommend both games. What would I look like saying MadWorld, a game nobody has played deserves more attention or is more deserving of my money than The Conduit? That makes no sense. And like I said, my issues were not with your opinion, just how you decided to stress them. There is not much you have said that I could disagree with, but I do not agree with how you presented it. If anything, this last paragraph is all I really want you to remember. I only posted the rest because I had already typed it out...

For a wii owner shooter fan it seems pretty much an obvious purchase. It has all the standard options of a decent FPS + the added benefit of customizable wii controls which will obliterate any type of dual stick control. This alone makes it worth a look since dual stick FPS are redundant, a thing of the past as far as I'm concerned whatever anyone might say.

On a personal note the fact that its not a war time shooter is a huge added bonus for me as I'm pretty sick of them.

I would say that, as of now, High Voltage is about the only company trying as hard as they are for the Wii.  I mean, come on.  Where's Resident Evil 5?  Street Fighter IV?  Bionic Commando Rearmed?  New Splatterhouse?  Mortal Kombat vs DC Universe?  Devil May Cry?  If they're not willing to put top franchises on the system, they aren't giving it they're all.  Too many games still like like mid-generation PS2 titles when the Wii is far more capable than that.  High Voltage built a powerful new graphics engine--and aside from Nintendo, who else has?  Retro only revamped their old Metroid Prime engine for MP3.  The only game that actually appears to be running on a new graphics engine with any sort of push at all is Super Mario Galaxy. 

Now, I love the stark style of MadWorld, but little if anything in it appears to actually be pushing the Wii's GPU.  That could easily be done on the PS2 or GameCube from what I've seen.  It's just a slight revamp of Viewtiful Joe's overall style, set in highly contrasting black and white... and red all over.  Cursed Mountain is another title that looks promising as the environments seem to be coming along nicely, but again, we have washed out colors and bland character models.  Where's the dynamic lighting?  Where are the real-time shadows?  Where's the damn love?  Look at the effort the guys at High Voltage are cramming into The Conduit.  The graphics are such a leap over what everyone else is doing on the Wii that people are apt to not even believe that it is a Wii title.  It may be pretty standard FPS gameplay with streamlined Wii control style, but damn if they aren't going the extra mile that everyone else stops short of two miles before.  No one else is even reaching the point where they have the option to go the extra mile.  They just give up that easily.

Even on the Wii, blurry muddy textures, flat circular shadows, ugly low-poly characters, and bland lifeless lighting are all things we shouldn't be seeing any more.  And yet, look at everyone else--that's what you get.  In The Conduit, the textures are generally a step above, the character modelling is two steps above, and the lighting and shadow is four steps above what everyone else is even bothering to do on the Wii.  So yes, I think the guys as HVS are working a lot harder than everyone else.  If they're smart, they'll wait six months after the game's release and then they'll license that graphics engine to anyone else that wants to make FPS titles on Wii.  Wait six months so that The Conduit looks better longer, and to give other devs the time to want it.  With it sold, they'll have the money to recraft that engine so the sequel to The Conduit once again resets what people expect on a Wii game.

The level of push in the graphics alone is proof that these guys are working harder than most other devs.  That's not to say that MadWorld's devs aren't giving it they're all, but point out one other Wii game that is being pushed as hard as The Conduit.  By 2010, there will be no excuse for anything on the Wii looking as out-dated as even titles like Resident Evil 4. 

So, to recap, there are two solid proofs that 3rd party devs still aren't working as hard as the guys at High Voltage for Wii titles:

1.  No other game has a graphics engine that can yet rival The Conduit.
2.  Third party companies still aren't putting enough of their AAA franchises on the thing.

I'm sure The Conduit will be overall somewhat average for an FPS, but I'm also sure it will be polished and very enjoyable.  If they're focusing as much on the rest of the game as they are the graphics, then we're in for a real treat.  And based on the graphics alone, no one is working as hard as these guys on the Wii.

I really want The Conduit to succeed. People don't know how badly most Wii owners here on VGChartz want it to either.

The week of March 15th will keep my focus GLUED to the Americas sales section.

HVS is trying too hard for this game to flop, or be another Haze. Also, they said they have worked with Nintendo on a couple things, so I doubt Ninty would steer them down the wrong path. This is the title that puts High Voltage on the map, since their past games as a whole only average 66% ratings.

I wonder who their publisher will be.......

Oh, don't worry, I'm buying it.

Next year will be great.

how did i miss this thread lol

im for sure buying it

I'm getting it because the controls look perfect, and pointer feels good. Also because high voltage is ambitious, and all sites have said positive things. Plus its online and uses wii speak. Trust me the conduit won't bomb, it has too much hype for that. I'd say 400,000 on first week, and 2-4 million lifetime.