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night on 05 July 2007
megaxl said:
Is PS3 REALLY selling that badly?

i only say yes, i can talk about many arguments in pro and cons of the PS3 present and future, but many arguments of the videogames forums are denied by the reality, for example the HD penetration and the Bluray success, many people think that this factors will do the PS3 successfull , but the HD help the games or the movies?, because now in 2007, in the last chart in Japan, the country with more HD penetration (or one of the countries with more HD penetration) the game in top 1 "Super Robot Wars OG: Original Generations" for ps2 sold 312,619 in his first week with gba graphics (this game is a remake of two gba games http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Robot_Wars_Original_Generations ) or appearance of supernintendo graphics, and many PS2 and DS games sell very good with poor graphics in this country with a big HD penetration.

a bit off topic sry. but Super Robot Wars OG: Original Generations for PS2 recently released does not have gba or snes graphics. u can find vids of almost every SRW game out on youtube. go compare the ones that came out on gba/snes and the stuff that came out on ps2. sry i love srw too much to let this comment slip by.

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naznatips on 05 July 2007
Chemical said:
I have seen that link already, and not only this is most likely a Circuit City only discount( and if it CC only then that means they are desperate to get rid of PS3's) and 100$ is not enough for the console to sell. And as I said, it is too early for the price cut, Sony can lose a lot of money and piss off a lot of shareholders (they are pretty angry already) by making a desperate attempt to sell more consoles. If 360 has a price cut then people will say that the system has been out for a while and it is time for a price cut, but if PS3 has a price cut people will say that Sony is getting desperate and is losing a lot of money.


Yeah it may be Circuit City only.  I also agree that $100 isn't enough if this is a regular price cut.  None of the people I know (myself included) who are interested in PS3s are going to buy them till $400 at the earliest... I mean that's obviously just anecdotal but $100 just isn't enough of a cut.

OriGin on 05 July 2007

Wow, I opened up the hornets nest on this one!

HappySquirrel you are the man, I consistantly see eye-to-eye with your comments! *thumbs up*



vizunary on 05 July 2007
naznatips said:
Chemical said:
I have seen that link already, and not only this is most likely a Circuit City only discount( and if it CC only then that means they are desperate to get rid of PS3's) and 100$ is not enough for the console to sell. And as I said, it is too early for the price cut, Sony can lose a lot of money and piss off a lot of shareholders (they are pretty angry already) by making a desperate attempt to sell more consoles. If 360 has a price cut then people will say that the system has been out for a while and it is time for a price cut, but if PS3 has a price cut people will say that Sony is getting desperate and is losing a lot of money.


Yeah it may be Circuit City only.  I also agree that $100 isn't enough if this is a regular price cut.  None of the people I know (myself included) who are interested in PS3s are going to buy them till $400 at the earliest... I mean that's obviously just anecdotal but $100 just isn't enough of a cut.

I don't know, $100 now, right after E3 and alot of buzz, then maybe another $100 in October with GTAIV would be very nice, with Guitar Hero III landing shortly thereafter(if you told me a year ago this game would be this big I would've laughed in your face) Though unlikely to have two cuts, but maybe.



misterd on 05 July 2007
leo-j said:
 

Well, the ps3 is getting alot more exclusives this year than the 360 for sure and everyone in this forum knows so, uncharted:drake's fortune, Heavenly sword, Lair,NBA 08, Killzone 2, Metal gear solid 4, Warhawk,Folklore, nija gaiden sigma, singstarps3,etc.. I can list more but they dont pop up in my mind. The ps3 would sell better than 360 even if the 360 is priced at 300, an the ps3 priced at $399.99 or $449.99, the reason for this is because microsoft already released a 300 dollar 360 which is quite frankly selling worst that the 20gb 360. But the ps3 riced at or below the 360 elite would sell more consoles than the 360. The ps3 is new, the 360 is old, casual gamers like new things.


The $300 360 is selling worse not because people want to pay a higher price (they don't, which is why the PS3 is having so much trouble), but because when you add in the extra costs needed for the $300 console to be on par with the $400, it actually ends up costing more. In short, the $400 is a much better bargain. If they cut that to $300 (and either drop the $300 and knock it down to $200) the 360 will likely sell MUCH better.

 As for the exclusives, simply having exclusives means little. You have to have exclusives tha people want and are actually pretty good. Metion Lair or Folklore to the average gamer - the ones not on this messageboard- and all you'll get is a blank stare. NBA 08 is one sports title. I'm pretty sure the other consoles will have NBA titles too. The only "given" on your list is MGS4, which isn't coming out this year, and most people expect will arrive on the 360.

 And if casual gamers like new things, why didn't they toss the PS2 over the side when the Xbox and GCN launched?



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misterd on 05 July 2007
HappySqurriel said:

I keep seeing the comment that it is "Lack of games and too high of a price that is hurting the PS3's sales" and while this is true it has an underlying optimizm which is not really realistic ... The assumption is that as the PS3 gains quality games and as the price drops it will see higher sales; this will probably not happen to the level that these people are expecting.


I'm not sure people are making that assumption. OK, if the PS3 had a much cheaper price ($400 or less) and better games RIGHT NOW it would probably sell well, but, based on past console wars, a weak first step can cripple the system for its entire run (see GCN). I suspect many of us think that this weak start will begin that chain reaction which will result in bad press, loss of mindshare, and loss of games.



deadhorse on 05 July 2007
naznatips said:


Yeah it may be Circuit City only.  I also agree that $100 isn't enough if this is a regular price cut.  None of the people I know (myself included) who are interested in PS3s are going to buy them till $400 at the earliest... I mean that's obviously just anecdotal but $100 just isn't enough of a cut.

 

I don't think it's Circuit City only, look at this: http://biz.gamedaily.com/industry/feature/?id=16721.  Sony hasn't denied the rumors, they've just said "no comment."  Guess that's another $100 lost on every system sold for Sony.  That's, what, a $300 loss per system now?

I'm definitely going to look forward to the upcoming VGChartz sales data.  The PS3 sales will probably go up for a little while and be back to normal after month.  They also just announced today on CNN Money that Microsoft is going to lose a billion dollars thanks to the defective systems.  That could ruin any price drop from them.  I swear, Microsoft and Sony are worse than Sega was.



leo-j on 05 July 2007
deadhorse said:

leo-j said:

Well, the ps3 is getting alot more exclusives this year than the 360 for sure and everyone in this forum knows so, uncharted:drake's fortune, Heavenly sword, Lair,NBA 08, Killzone 2, Metal gear solid 4, Warhawk,Folklore, nija gaiden sigma, singstarps3,etc.. I can list more but they dont pop up in my mind. The ps3 would sell better than 360 even if the 360 is priced at 300, an the ps3 priced at $399.99 or $449.99, the reason for this is because microsoft already released a 300 dollar 360 which is quite frankly selling worst that the 20gb 360. But the ps3 riced at or below the 360 elite would sell more consoles than the 360. The ps3 is new, the 360 is old, casual gamers like new things.

Well, the ps3 is getting alot more exclusives this year than the 360 for sure and everyone in this forum knows so 

Everybody knows the PS3 is getting more exclusives?  The PS3 released 12 games last month, the 360 released 24.  You better back that claim up with a link. 

As for some of the games you listed:

Heavenly Sword - The only other game the makers of the game have done is Kung Fu Chaos, which sucked.

Killzone 2 - Killzone 1 got a 6.9 from Gamespot

Metal Gear Solid 4 - It's coming out this fiscal year, which means before April.  If it was coming out in 2007 they would have said so.

Ninja Gaiden Sigma - We'll see how many PS3s it sold next week.
 

The ps3 would sell better than 360 even if the 360 is priced at 300, an the ps3 priced at $399.99 or $449.99, the reason for this is because microsoft already released a 300 dollar 360 which is quite frankly selling worst that the 20gb

If the PS3 was $400 instead of $600 it would be in first place again this generation.  Too bad that didn't happen.  Also, the $300 360 isn't selling because it's crippled, it's not even remotely worth the money.

You want a link Ill give you a link PS3 GAMES COMING OUT FROM NOW TO MAY 2008 are in this link

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=25325706

coming from a sony hater sight this is all the exclusive ps3 games expected to be relaesed from now to MAY 2008.

 



 

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deadhorse on 05 July 2007

leo-j said:

You want a link Ill give you a link PS3 GAMES COMING OUT FROM NOW TO MAY 2008 are in this link

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=25325706

coming from a sony hater sight this is all the exclusive ps3 games expected to be relaesed from now to MAY 2008.

 

 

First of all, I said this year, not to May 2008. Secondly, that link is old and some of those games are no longer exclusive(Devil May Cry 4). Thirdly, you only provided half of the information you needed to provide. The other half should be a link to all the 360 games coming out so that we can compare the two.
My original post may not even matter any more, the 360 just lost another billion dollars: http://money.aol.com/news/articles/_a/xbox-woes-cost-microsoft-1-billion/20070705164909990001?ncid=NWS00010000000001. Good job at matching Sony, Microsoft. This could be the end of any price drop. Both systems are financial disasters and that means loss of consumer confidence equalling loss of sales equalling loss of games. They were both doing so well, Sony dominated with the PS2 and released huge amounts of quality games. The Xbox was a disaster but the 360 got a good head start, released some good games, and looked like it would do well this generation. However, it desparately needs a price drop if it wants to beat Sony.

 



omgwtfbbq on 05 July 2007
leo-j said:
deadhorse said:

leo-j said:

Well, the ps3 is getting alot more exclusives this year than the 360 for sure and everyone in this forum knows so, uncharted:drake's fortune, Heavenly sword, Lair,NBA 08, Killzone 2, Metal gear solid 4, Warhawk,Folklore, nija gaiden sigma, singstarps3,etc.. I can list more but they dont pop up in my mind. The ps3 would sell better than 360 even if the 360 is priced at 300, an the ps3 priced at $399.99 or $449.99, the reason for this is because microsoft already released a 300 dollar 360 which is quite frankly selling worst that the 20gb 360. But the ps3 riced at or below the 360 elite would sell more consoles than the 360. The ps3 is new, the 360 is old, casual gamers like new things.

Well, the ps3 is getting alot more exclusives this year than the 360 for sure and everyone in this forum knows so

Everybody knows the PS3 is getting more exclusives? The PS3 released 12 games last month, the 360 released 24. You better back that claim up with a link.

As for some of the games you listed:

Heavenly Sword - The only other game the makers of the game have done is Kung Fu Chaos, which sucked.

Killzone 2 - Killzone 1 got a 6.9 from Gamespot

Metal Gear Solid 4 - It's coming out this fiscal year, which means before April. If it was coming out in 2007 they would have said so.

Ninja Gaiden Sigma - We'll see how many PS3s it sold next week.

The ps3 would sell better than 360 even if the 360 is priced at 300, an the ps3 priced at $399.99 or $449.99, the reason for this is because microsoft already released a 300 dollar 360 which is quite frankly selling worst that the 20gb

If the PS3 was $400 instead of $600 it would be in first place again this generation. Too bad that didn't happen. Also, the $300 360 isn't selling because it's crippled, it's not even remotely worth the money.

You want a link Ill give you a link PS3 GAMES COMING OUT FROM NOW TO MAY 2008 are in this link

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=25325706

coming from a sony hater sight this is all the exclusive ps3 games expected to be relaesed from now to MAY 2008.

 

sorry to break it to you, but the PS3 actually has the LEAST exclusive titles of all three consoles:

http://www.gamingtarget.com/article.php?artid=7064

giving a list of a single console is not proof either way. 

 



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