1. Not in America, but it did in Japan.

2. I know I read somewhere that the first Disgaea did 120k in Japan. I'll see if I can find it (I know I read an article)

3. And that's my point. Nothing big has happened.

We have talked about this one before. Dark Cloud got Greatest Hits which means that it shipped over 400,000 copies to retailers making it at least Level 5's 2nd highest selling game in America behind DQ. Who knows? Maybe it did more.

2. While the PS3 didn't do huge numbers when they launched, it certainly did help the system. Valkyria did, however, get the PS3 back into the 5 digit range (barely). 

I figured it was a combination of both.

I still think that a slim ps3 + FFXIII will help things tremendously.  Of course, the slim model will probably have more of an impact than the game, but they game will be the biggest game for the system in the region.

this is true.  but the redesign of the psp i think will carry over some momentum to a redesigned ps3. 

the other thing is that the ps3 is flat out too big.  yea its shiny, but the thing is a monster.  it pretty much could eat all of my electronics besides my tv.

your argument falters though because GC was superior(technically speaking) to the PS2 was smaller and was cheaper. In the end it is games and unless PS3 get's "Streamlined" and drops price fast Sony might have to 'pay' developers other than first party to do it in order to subsidize losses up until the PS3 can be seen as profitable.

In the end we're saying the same thing, just you're saying like developers will wait when they have to answer to a company who answers to it's shareholders who want MONEY, not a promise of money in the future.

Edit: Essentially PS3 is in a race against time and money. Sony has to streamline and make it affordable as fast as possible and get enough people to buy it before developers move on for greener pastures as it were.

Edit 2: Of course if you go to Akihabara you're gonna hear about technology you're in freaking Akihabara... that's like saying you found a child molester in prison, you're bound to find technophiles in Akihbara Electric town! Having said that, I fu%king love Akihabara but I haven't been there in so long I want to go back but to stay any amount of time you either need to be on the teaching exchange program or rich..

Akhiabara is an amazing place :).

I just want to clarify what I said, I wasn't attacking you or saying you are wrong or even that PS3 can't make a comeback and make some headway. I was simply pointing out as time goes by the likely hood grows lesser. I meant no offense in what I said and hope I didn't come off as insulting.

Ps2 vs GC and Wii vs ps3 can't really be compared.  The Gamecube was more powerful, yes, but minorly so, and the only major difference between the two systems was that the ps2 had almost all the games, so the choice between them was pretty obvious.

This gen, however, things are much different.  The ps3 is much more powerful than the Wii, while on the flipside the Wii has a very innovative control scheme compared to the ps3.  It's gameplay vs graphics, and the fact that the there are plenty of games being released on each system makes each a pretty compelling purchase (assuming the price is right). Having all the capabilites of the ps3 in a single box should also be a positive feature to the Japanese given how space conscious they are.

Like I've said in the past, I think that this gen will be the first gen where many Japanese gamers purchase multiple consoles.  I think they'll buy Wiis now, because it's novel and it's got a great price, and they'll get ps3s for things like graphics and Blu-Ray down the line, when the price has come down, it's size has decreased.  There are compelling reasons to own both.  It wouldn't be as redunant as it would've last gen.

Also, on your bit about developers waiting, they didn't really wait for the PSP, outside of a few titles from Capcom and SE (very few, but pretty big ones, none the less), yet the PSP managed a turnaround.  Hell, developers are even coming back to the platform now that it's selling better, as shown by SE switching FF Agito XIII and Parasite Eve: The Third Birthday from mobile phones to the PSP.  And the ps3 still has the two FFs waiting in the wings, along with smaller titles and probable ports of 360 games down the line (Eternal Sonata, probably Tales of Vesperia, etc.).

aren't china's psp sales counted as part of Japan? I read some post here onces about it. Was a while ago now.

I do agree PS3 will gain some legs, but only when it is cheaper.

no china's sales are not included, vgchartz sales are in line with famitsu and media create.