Ok, but there is a sticky thread up top that already has these games on them plus many more. So again, what is your point? People are not delusional to think the Wii has no "core" games coming out. They just don't see a whole lot of progress from third parties and then we get the bomb shell that Nintendo is laying low this Fall, which was completely surprising to many. They have valid reasons if they want to be a little upset right now. If all I owned was a Wii I too would be mighty pissed about this Fall's lineup. We have too many B and C level third party teams working on Wii games. Nintendo's lone XMas time title is Animal Crossing. That's it.

Oh don't feel bad for us Onyxmeth. If Nintendo gamers have anything, its patience and the knowledge that our complete domination of the market is inevitable, whether it be next year or four years from now, its going to happen.

I know I'm butting into a conversation that doesn't really concern me, and I apologize for that, but speaking personally, I'm actually pretty happy with the Wii's line-up for the rest of this year. There are more games for it that I want to buy than I can afford, and certainly more games I want to play than I have time to. Although for the first time in recent memory, there's no Nintendo-made game in that list, which just feels...odd. Like I just ate a delicious pumpkin cheesecake, but one  without the heavy cream.

That said, I have to admit that Nintendo's fumbled its PR recently with the forum-goers, as even Iwata himself has admitted (and apologized for). I understand where Nintendo wants to go, and I'm personally fine with it, but when you use a term like "core game" to a specific audience, it's best to use that audience's definition of the term (for easier communication).

Oh, and the E3 presentation sucked. Just had to get that out there.

There are people who didn't know some of the games that I posted were coming out and I can't remember who it was exactly, but they said that they only knew half of the games posted. The point was to explain that the wii is not just a casual system. Alot of PS3, 360 owners are aware of what the wii has but to some it is not enough to go and purchase a system for the current lineup. With the 20 I listed alone (and also not all the games were posted before) I'm sure there are people out there who will be like "whoah, the wii actually has some appealing games to fill those "core" needs" so maybe I'll get a system. It's also a defense in some senses to those who bitch about Nintendo leaving us "core" gamers out when there is plenty of games to fill our needs. I also believe GC will have more interesting news for us.

@Onimusha-If you're content to patiently wait four years then be my guest. Trying to cling to some far off hope of dominance just sounds too PS3 fanboy to me. Nice way to generalize Nintendo gamers though, because I'm sure I haven't seen plenty of them on these forums with the same dissappointment I'm talking about since e3 ended. I'm sure you think that is some zinger to me, but I also own a Wii, so if the games do turn up there all I have to do is shop on a new wall at Gamestop. No skin off my back. Oh and maybe you want to finish your arguments in the Madden topic huh? It seems you ducked out early when everyone turned on you.

@noname2200-If you're content with this year's lineup then that's awesome. Unfortunately we all know this Fall has left somewhat of a sour taste and a lot of people aren't happy with it. I have the luxury of putting my dollar towards DS, 360 and PSP(HA! yeah right) games, but others are not so lucky.

@Nirvana Nut-My whole point to you was just to keep adding on to the list because 10 games wasn't proving anything. It was to motivate you to finish your topic. Like you said, some people didn't know about those games, well then they also don't know there are more than those 10. Keep adding until you get a hefty amount represented so your argument holds more weight. It's not for my benefit. I already know what's coming out.

I can't deny that's true amongst many of us forum-goers. Still, I think that's more of an image than a reality problem, which is what I was trying to get at in my last post. There's quite a bit there for the "core" gamer coming out these next few months (although I'll be the first to admit that I'm never entirely sure what that term encompasses nowadays, even if I do know that Mario Sluggers ain't it). And I think that's what this and many similar threads have been trying to say: Nintendo may be MIA, but third-parties are actually picking up the slack on a Nintendo console for the first time in over a decade (hence the "odd feeling" I referred to in the last post).

Sure, people who already favor the HD consoles aren't going to change their minds this holiday season, but looking at the Wii exclusives and multi-plats, it seems to me like there's something for every taste, and that the Wii doesn't lag all that much behind the HD consoles in most genres (BIG exceptions: FPS and sandbox). Shoot, Activision's major franchises are all getting unaltered versions on the Wii, most Japanese companies have the lion's share of their console releases on the Wii nowadays, and the Wii is specializing in the quirky games that I find most appealing (Little King's Story and Rune Factory get!). In short, the light isn't as dim as it appeared at first blush.

Having said all that, I have to add in the disclaimer that most of the big HD games this winter don't appeal to me personally, save for Prince of Persia and Mirror's Edge, so perhaps my blanket statements aren't as all-encompassing as I'd like to believe.

And I agree with your ultimate point to Nirvana-Nut. From personal experience I know that when you start such a thread, you need to be prepared to finish it (which after my last experience is precisely why I won't be making these threads in the near future anymore. Although no one will ever make a longer post than I did!) So, Nirvana, the ball's in your court now. Looking forward to what you come up with!

Well if all you like is Mirror's Edge and Prince of Persia I'm going to have to agree that it's going to be a BIG minority opinion. Just about anything the Wii has coming out this Fall, there is some comparable HD game. My problem with this being a third party Fall is that they still haven't proven they can make good games on the Wii, and that's a bit troubling. You have your definite critical successes like Tales of Symphonia 2 and Fatal Frame 4 but there are also a ton of maybe titles that could go either way, because of the lousy work some studios have done in the past. I will say, even with my negatism(real word? nah), I still plan on purchasing a decent amount of Wii games, but it most likely will not dominate my purchases this year at all. Sam and Max Season One, Fatal Frame IV, Wario Lane Shake It and Samba de Amigo Wii all pretty much have my dollar.

Also just as an FYI, if you like quirky games you may want to look towards the downloadable services like WiiWare, Xbox Live and PSN. The reason I don't have to worry about quirky games is because they are all right there to download and you can get five or six of those for the same price as one retail game.

I think the big problem with alot of people is that there is alot less information on Wii games from third parties and Nintendo than there are of HD games. We have crystal bearers, and Disaster which people think are cancelled because we haven't seen anything of them in ages. Also there are alot of games that are unknown or forgotten to alot of people, and this is mostly because of the lack of information. I think once we see more stuff on already announced games, people will actually consider the Wii as a console for almost all demographs in the same way the DS is seen. Also Japanese third party support has been increasing at a healthy rate, and I expect it to surpass that of the HD consoles in a year or two. Western support is different, and I don't expect too much, but I do expect it to get better, and it already is better than the gamecubes. It wasn't until now that the DS seems to get good western support(GTA, Mass Effect,CoD) and was predominately supported by Japanese developers, so I see them as the ls to shift. Next Generation if Nintendo keeps the lead there is no doubt they will get most of the support, and even if they don't keep the lead as long as they sell well they should have some good support as we see with the HD consoles.

No real core gamer is against the wii. There are only a few xbox/ps3 fanboys who always bash. and yes some paid ms-customers too.

Hahahaha... Far off hope? Nintendo has already stollen the market, its merely a waiting game for things like third party support to catch up. There is no sunrise over the horizon for the PS3 or its successor, there is no future market expansion for the 360. The writing is on the wall, while HD gamers can hope for what will never happen, Wii gamers can simply just wait for the fruition of what is already happening.

I wish I could say I was jealous of the games the PS3/360 were getting, but to be honest I'm only jealous of the attention and resources they're getting, not the games themselves, I don't really want any of them with exception of DMC4 and RE5. So many lazy mediocre western games and so many shotty sequels. Sure the Wii is missing out on first tier development from third party developers, but all that first tier development is just going to fewer and fewer rehashed stagnating titles and visionless sequels targeted for the sub-normer demographic on the HD consoles. Don't kid yourself the 360/PS3 are in any better position than the Wii is with games. All HD gaming has is popularity, not quality. The Wii gets second hand scraps while the real tallent of the third parties are forced to work on mediocre tripe for the HD consoles. In the end, no one wins.

Call of Duty? Rainbow Six Vegas? Could I care less about games that are only as popular as they are now because of their online multiplayer? Madden? Football on a Video Game console, there's genius. Halo? Because that isn't old news. Oh people are excited about it? Well I imagine they need something to do during the NASCAR off season. Silent Hill? Because that hasn't been a stinking pile on the decline since Silent Hill 3. Final Fantasy? I wish I could tell myself it was even still worth calling Final Fantasy anymore, enjoy your emo-punk acid trip and meriad of spin offs sprinkled aimless across the platforms, quanity over quality I guess, at least Square knows how to play to their strengths (or lack there of). Gears of War? Somehow going one on one with testosterone junkie frat boys online doesn't appeal to me. Too Human? Call me when they make Eternal Darkness 2. GTA? The Wii and DS are getting their own, but I could still care less, those games are the epitomy of white trash and teen gaming. Godfather II? I didn't play the first!

So many of these games I wouldn't even play if they did come to the Wii, yet this is everyone else's idea of good third party support. Not enough resources to go around to make new serious lps for any console while lazy sequels and mass appeal games flood a market where no one makes money except the non-HD competition? Mainstreaming the industry for Fratboy Jock Gamers whose attention span is reflected in the games of this generation? This is what we need? No, what the Wii needs is games that aren't being made for the HD consoles or the Wii at the moment. Games that cannot be made due to the resources being funneled into souless HD pretty picture big boy games and the incompetent misconseptions of third party developers as to what games sell on the Wii.

Are you really satisfied with only two parts of the gaming equation being met through HD Gaming's sub-normer targeted libraries and Wii's starved library, don't you miss that greater diversity which has been shunned away from this genration? This isn't a matter you can solve by simply owning every console.