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KH 3 on Wii, depends upon how well DQ:Swords does.
Heck, Square might pull a goofy from the hat with KH 3 on the DS.



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Sullla said:

Graphics comparisons seem to set everyone on edge, for some reason. Let's back off from that and address the original topic.

Based on current sales and platform demographics, the Wii is the natural choice for the next Kingdom Hearts game. Square could even throw in some motion-based swordsplay, which would be a big improvement over the button-mashing that the past two games have used. In fact, this makes so much sense that it probably won't happen. When development seems to be a slam-dunk in favor of one system, companies often seem to move in a different direction. Maybe just to keep us all guessing!

mrstickball's argument makes perfect sense if Kingdom Hearts has already been in development for some time; if so, I agree that a multiplatform PS3/360 release would be all but inevitable. If not, a Wii exclusive makes the most sense. Most of the disagreement in this thread seems to have centered around missing his qualifier, "I do believe it's already in the process of development for quite some time, and it's engine has probably already been finshed, with textures and all the important graphical assets already there." I'd like to clear that up, because I think there's more agreement than disagreement here on that issue. Where the game currently stands in development will likely determine where it ends up.

How the game looks is largely irrelevant. If Square believes it will sell the best by putting Kingdom Hearts on the Wii, then they will do that. Square has never had much loyalty to any particular platform, which is why they've been so successful. I'm sure that the game would look better on either the PS3 or 360, but that carries little weight when it comes to sales.


Well that's actually one of my major points of disagreements with him.  I don't think it's been started.  I think the only thing that's been started is Knight's Story, and this is being held off on until later in the generation to scope out the status.  I agree that there is always the chance of it being on DS, but I think a game like that is more likely on a home console.



KH3 = Wii/PS3 (Wii because it'll sell best there, PS3 because KH started on PS)

KS = PS3.



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Kingdom Hearts 3 should be on the Wii...cause thats where the profit is at.....and the other game i dont know about....



As a gamer I'd just like to see it go to the system that could provide the best gaming experience given the possible choices. It's just too bad that the fanboy in some people make them want to have *every* game on their system even if it would likely be a better experience on another.

As for those talking about profit and that should be the reason it goes to the Wii, I'm curious, when you heard Resident Evil 4 was originally going to be a Gamecube exclusive did you argue instead that it should go to the PS2 because that's where the profits were?  If you didn't argue that then maybe you're a fanboy since that's basically what you're doing now.



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Legend11 said:

As a gamer I'd just like to see it go to the system that could provide the best gaming experience given the possible choices. It's just too bad that the fanboy in some people make them want to have *every* game on their system even if it would likely be a better experience on another.

As for those talking about profit and that should be the reason it goes to the Wii, I'm curious, when you heard Resident Evil 4 was originally going to be a Gamecube exclusive did you argue instead that it should go to the PS2 because that's where the profits were? If you didn't argue that then maybe you're a fanboy since that's basically what you're doing now.


But see, now you are applying your opinion to it. Honestly, I think it's a much better gaming experience to have motion controls than slightly smoother shading on Sora's shoes, but our opinions don't REALLY matter. I think most people here have admitted that as long as development wasn't started a year ago or more, by far the most logical choice from a developer standpoint is the Wii. You are being very hypocritical when you talk about fanboys wanting every game. You just dislike the Wii, so you search for topics to attack it's game library with.

As far as RE4, no I wasn't surprised at all that it went to the PS2. I wonder why? Oh yeah, because that's where profits are. That's why 70% of all games released last generation were on the PS2. It doesn't take a genius to see the basic demographics and profit opportunities available on each system. You seem to like attacking people for acting the way you do on every topic you visit, and when you fail to prove your point you call people who disproved you fanboys. It's getting annoying.



Legend11 said:

As a gamer I'd just like to see it go to the system that could provide the best gaming experience given the possible choices. It's just too bad that the fanboy in some people make them want to have *every* game on their system even if it would likely be a better experience on another.

As for those talking about profit and that should be the reason it goes to the Wii, I'm curious, when you heard Resident Evil 4 was originally going to be a Gamecube exclusive did you argue instead that it should go to the PS2 because that's where the profits were? If you didn't argue that then maybe you're a fanboy since that's basically what you're doing now.


Well at least you are not a fanboy. Obviously if you are a gamer, you want every game available to be on your console of choice. If you call that fanboyism, well I guess I am a fanboy. I like to play games. Why in the world would I want to buy 20 consoles to play every game when I could have one?

Also why do you think everybody here that has a Wii had a gamecube before. I previously had a PS2

Your logic is also week. The thing is the people who say that they think games will be on Wii is because it is more profitable for the developer. You have acutely managed to avert the question and come up with a different question yourself, trying to tie it to fanboyism. Kinda strange. I for one couldnt connect the dots. You might want to help me out here.

edit: wow didnt realize so many people had already responded.  



naznatips said:
ckmlb said:

All had to be downsized.

I never said KH wouldn't work on the Wii, but it would look better on the 360 and PS3. Also, Smash Bros. does not look better than Blue Dragon. In addition, you have to know it's much easier to make Smash Bros. and Pokemon Battle look better because the game takes place in small areas compared to Blue Dragon's vast expanses. It's easy to add more detail to background and floors all the time when the game takes place in a few arenas compared to big areas. This doesn't mean Super Smash or Pokemon look better than Blue Dragon. Especially not graphically, artistically you might make a case.


Well I'll agree that it would probably look a little better, but even if YOU don't personally see SSBB and Pokemon BR as better looking games, can't you admit that they show the Wii capable of introducing a signifficant step up from former PS2 KH graphics without messing up the cartoon style? I would have found a game that didn't take place in set environments for the comparison but those are the only Wii games with cartoon graphics yet. Sorry I'm not trying to show an one-sided view that's just all that was available.

Truthfully, just like most things in gaming, it's a matter of opinion what game looks better to you. Either way you have to admit even if Blue Dragon does look graphically more powerful, it's not very MUCH more powerful. My point being: Considering the difference in development costs, user base, and control scheme and the limits of development and improvement on cartoon graphics, wouldn't it be a safe statement that from a developer perspective the Wii would make the most sense in a choice of systems to continue the original KH series? While a spinoff would be made with a darker and more violent style for the other 2 systems. That's my take on it anyway.


No I definitely think Blue Dragon looks a lot better, you don't. The Blue Dragon environments look as bland as Pokemon Battle ones when in battle mode. Normally there is a lot more detail while exploring.

It's harder to point out how a game with this kind of style is graphically better on one console over the other so that's why you can somehow think that Pokemon Battle looks better than Blue Dragon.

PS: Your argument about no detail on the ground is debunked because as you can see in some places there is detail. Of course when they are on the beach you are gonna see sand not designs on the ground :P so how is it fair to compare a sand surface to a design on the floor of an arena in Pokemon? 



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naznatips said:

But see, now you are applying your opinion to it.


This entire thread is based on people's opinions and yes people are allowed to have opinions that differ from yours so accept it and just move on.



Legend11 said:
naznatips said:

But see, now you are applying your opinion to it.


This entire thread is based on people's opinions and yes people are allowed to have opinions that differ from yours so accept it and just move on.

 

Of course people's opinions do, I'm trying to express logical points to enforce my opinion, but you openly admitted you think it will be on the PS3 or 360 because you want it to be, no other reason. 

As for your post ckmlb, in my opinion it looks signifficnatly worse than SSBB and somewhat worse than pokemon (though again, both of these games use a style that makes it easier for the graphics to look better).  So our opinions will obviously continue to differ on the subject.  But this isn't really what this topic is (or at least was ) about.  What it's about is the location of these games, and the reasons for their location.  I fail to see any purpose in continuing discussions on individual graphics here.

I believe KH3 will be on the Wii because it matches the demographic, uses an art style that will not be harmed by the Wii's hardware limitations (and can't be improved on a whole lot more on the other systems), has cheap development costs, and a large user base.

I believe Knight's Story will be on the PS3 because it matches the demographic, uses more advanced less cartooney graphical techniques (at least in the trailer), and uses darker themes.  It seems to me that this is the perfect method for Square Enix to expand their profits in the KH series.