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Jordahn on 08 August 2008
Yojimbo said:
Jordahn said:
Yojimbo said:
De85 said:
Jordahn said:
If I were SE, I'd also consider the 360's userbase. With the direction where the sales of the main Final Fantasy titles have been going, could anyone blame SE for doing this? Final Fantasy titles have dropped in sales while the cost of development has only risen while also considering the fact that the combined userbases of both 360 and PS3 does not equate to the PS2 when FFXII was first released. Also, JRPG have taken a back seat to games like sports and FPS's while they also have to combat the casual market with games like Guitar Hero and Rock Band. Reality speaks here.

 

Quoted so everybody can read this post again.  So far it's made more sense than the rest of the thread, combined.

 

Sense? Why not compare early FF games that released on console, like FFVII and FFX. PS2 were 6 years old when FFXII got released.....

 

 

Now if I'm wrong with anything I'm about to say, please correct me because I hate to be a bearer of wrong info. IIRC, FFX sold 8 million copies while FFXII only sold 5 million. Not only did FFXII sold less than FFX, the PS2's userbase had grown by then (duh!) resulting in less copies sold. But also this was after Squaresoft was absorbed by Enix because of increased production cost. I believe these are facts. My prediction is that FFXIII will be a commercial failure compared to previous installments on BOTH PS3 and 360 platforms. And this is coming from a die-hard FF fan from the NES to the PSOne days. Personally, I think this game will SUCK! Just a gut feeling here. And even if it doesn't, I don't see it retaining anything "Final Fantasy" to appeal to the base fans especially when you consider past sales. Yes, games need to change over time but when the deviation is so far, you need to garner to a new audience which is going to be hard to do when you consider the long history of the "Final Fantasy" name amidst the present competition and changing mindset.

FFXII sold less because it came out so late in this gen almost same time with the nexgen consoles. Usually the first FF sell the most and the last ones sell less. I'm not going to discuss quality of the game. Its is the first FF on nextgen consoles and it is coming out on huge 2x userbase and there is alot of hype behind it.(What I believe). There is no right and wrong here.

 

Maybe, but that's hard to believe when you consider that the PS2 was still selling well after the release of the Wii and PS3.  Also, there was a greater gap between the releases of FFX and FFXII when compared to the PSOne versions of FF.  And to Stats87, the difference in sales between FFX and FFXII is reasonable less that those with modded PS2 at the time of FFXII's release.  But I would dare to say that hardcore gamers and diehard FF fans would support the industry, especially a known but declining franchise such as Final Fantasy.

 



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reask on 08 August 2008

Well look at sales of mgs4 and gta4 they sold well.
So why not ff.



 

 

 

 

Jordahn on 08 August 2008
reask said:
Well look at sales of mgs4 and gta4 they sold well.
So why not ff.

 

FFXIII might sell exceeding well.  But in the case of comparisons with GTAIV and MGS4, both franchises since the beginning of the PS2 games have retained their the core, essential characteristic gameplay and features (GTA = sandbox, crime-sim, modern street life, pop-music.  MGS = Stealth, Sci-Fi, lengthy storytelling, and theathrical presentation.)  This gives the GTA and MGS franchises the staying power for their core fans.  The only major characteristic that retained from FF to FF is the lengthy and theathrical presentation.



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Retrasado on 08 August 2008

lol. you gotta love the execs, though I do have to admit Sony execs take the cake as far as retarded statements go.... Anyway, "the success of our console" had absolutely nothing to do with it. It's like this: SE can sell the game to a userbase of 15 million, or they can sell it to a userbase of 35 million. Which would you choose? Also, I think it's safe to assume that at least SOME money changed hands under the table, which adds even more incentives for SE to make it go multi-plat.



Not trying to be a fanboy. Of course, it's hard when you own the best console eve... dang it

Jo21 on 08 August 2008
Retrasado said:

lol. you gotta love the execs, though I do have to admit Sony execs take the cake as far as retarded statements go.... Anyway, "the success of our console" had absolutely nothing to do with it. It's like this: SE can sell the game to a userbase of 15 million, or they can sell it to a userbase of 35 million. Which would you choose? Also, I think it's safe to assume that at least SOME money changed hands under the table, which adds even more incentives for SE to make it go multi-plat.

 

the thing is, they are killing 3 mayor projects releasing it on the xbox360 first, so4 last renmant infinity undiscovery.

where it would sell at least  double in japan on the ps3.

thats its what point m$ paid them and pretty sure its almost direct shot, snce m$ needs to make a name in japan.

but all those games are gonna bomb.

the only way was the whole xbox360 userbase bought them it would need a 100% attach rate even counting future sells (since is selling less than 10k per week)

all those 3 games are shoot in the foot unless m$ pay for them.

 

 



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Zucas on 08 August 2008
erikers said:
OMFG I thought they paid them billions? Who could have EVER guessed??

Yes because MS is going to come outright and say we payed them money to put it on our console.  Because that'll definetly give them good press.  Ugh I hope you were joking otherwise I've lost more faith in humanity.

I still give MS benefit of the doubt but what you said is pure ignorance haha.

 



reask on 09 August 2008
Jordahn said:
reask said:
Well look at sales of mgs4 and gta4 they sold well.
So why not ff.

 

FFXIII might sell exceeding well.  But in the case of comparisons with GTAIV and MGS4, both franchises since the beginning of the PS2 games have retained their the core, essential characteristic gameplay and features (GTA = sandbox, crime-sim, modern street life, pop-music.  MGS = Stealth, Sci-Fi, lengthy storytelling, and theathrical presentation.)  This gives the GTA and MGS franchises the staying power for their core fans.  The only major characteristic that retained from FF to FF is the lengthy and theathrical presentation.

Fair point but it will help it been a franchise I would guess.

 



 

 

 

 

d21lewis on 09 August 2008

Simultaneous releases are the way to go. Late releases of multi-platform games really hurt the 'Cube last year. Probably hurt Xbox sales too.



Dgc1808 on 09 August 2008
obieslut said:
Skeeuk said:
erikers said:
OMFG I thought they paid them billions? Who could have EVER guessed??

 

they have obviously paid for the simultanious release though.

 

i agree 100%

 

I also agree.

 



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OGY on 09 August 2008

BS, 360 got it simply cause the PS3 is selling like crap compared to PS2.



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