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Sqrl on 07 August 2008
baph777 said:
"This is totally subjective."

It is objective. There have to be standards and criteria by which to judge products from. You don't take a class in Western literature in a university and study authors like John Saul. There is a reason why authors like Shakespeare, William Blake, Keats, Chaucer, etc. are stressed and that is because they are considered to have set the standard for their medium and it is a standard that the majority of critics have agreed upon over time that is why the works of the authors I list above are considered to be canonical.

In the medium of video games, you also have critics and the majority of their reviews have said that the best games and by a wide numerical margin have appeared on the 360 in this console generation. Not supporting the console that the vast majority of critical appraisals have indicated to be the best in its medium leads to support of lesser products within the industry which in turn leads to a decrease in the quality of future products in that industry.

 

Wrong. 

Objectivity is both an important and very difficult concept to pin down in philosophy. While there is no universally accepted articulation of objectivity, a proposition is generally considered to be objectively true when its truth conditions are "mind-independent"—that is, not the result of any judgments made by a conscious entity. Put another way, objective truths are those which are discovered rather than created. While such formulations capture the basic intuitive idea of objectivity, neither is without controversy.

 
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baph777 on 07 August 2008

Gnac wasn't speaking about Platonic concepts in his post. He was using the everyday jargon which means everybody has their own opinion.


"Objectivity is both an important and very difficult concept to pin down in philosophy. While there is no universally accepted articulation of objectivity, a proposition is generally considered to be objectively true when its truth conditions are "mind-independent"—that is, not the result of any judgments made by a conscious entity. Put another way, objective truths are those which are discovered rather than created. While such formulations capture the basic intuitive idea of objectivity, neither is without controversy."



HappySqurriel on 07 August 2008

You can't objectively review games ...

By most standards applied to videogames today a game like Checkers, Chess or Solitare are bad games because they literally have no story, the representation of objects are not particularly sophisticated (Does a King in Chess look like a King?), and they have either no single player or no multiplayer gameplay. At the same time Checkers, Chess and Solitare are games which have existed for centuries because of how great these games are.



Roma on 07 August 2008

baph777? lol what happened too his posts?



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Jo21 on 07 August 2008

they are going where the money is... even if the cow die of over milking.
thats something i strongly against art.
i want my game to be huge in budget and a proof it quality.

not 500k to have profit of 50 millions... shovelware... that even nintendo is making (nintendogs).



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Onimusha12 on 07 August 2008
Jo21 said:
they are going where the money is... even if the cow die of over milking.
thats something i strongly against art.
i want my game to be huge in budget and a proof it quality.

not 500k to have profit of 50 millions... shovelware... that even nintendo is making (nintendogs).

 

How old are you? 14? You're sounding the part.

You had no complaints when GTA was on a console weaker than the Wii such as the PS2 and then the PSP, yet now that its no longer a risky 100 million dollar endeavor you don't like it?

Oh, and of course it will be Shovelware, right? GTA Nintendogs confirmed. Great job kid, you called it. Make him a Mod now ioi this one's got potential.



S.T.A.G.E. on 07 August 2008
mike_intellivision said:

I remember the first time I saw the Nintendo console. My thought was … “What the heck is this thing?”

After all, the unit looked like a toy and was marketed like a toy. The controller was very different than anything that had come before. Its game selection appealed toward a younger audience and lacked the current and continued hits, and it seemed to emphasize gimmicks with a variety of add-ons.

Over time though, I grew to understand what the system was all about … and I eventually got one for myself. Of course, I am talking about the Nintendo Entertainment System which sold only over 60 million units worldwide as it redefined, reinvented, and revitalized video gaming (particularly in the United States).

But it was so much different than what had come before. No joystick (the preferred controller of the previous era), no real space shooters or arcade classics in the early line-up (the dominant genre of the previous era), unusual things like a light gun (sounds familiar) and ROB (not as successful commercially but now a collector’s item). And the graphics were not really all that much better from the top-end systems of the previous era (the NES early games were more colorful but not really that much better than Atari 5200 (8-bit computer) or Colecovision (similar to MSX) games.

Still, if you were a 20-something in the mid-1980s and wanted the game from the company whose system you had backed (by Atari or Coleco or even Mattel), seeing this in the stores was a shock.

Now admittedly, today is a little bit different. There are actually other active console makers (which there really was not by that time. Atari was doing computers, Coleco went under, Mattel sold out, and Magnavox had gotten out). Nevertheless, the reaction to the Wii – and its success – is still the same. So contrary to what some may think – Nintendo did not and "ruin" gaming and is not "ruining" gaming. It is merely starting the next evolution in gaming.

Mike from Morgantown

 

This is stupid. Nintendo brings the balance of innovation in a war waged between Sony whom is hungry to find a media format and force it into everyones homes and Microsoft whom wants to monopolize the gaming industry after they try to beat Sony within an inch of their life. Look at Nintendos lifespan work, they've always risked for innovation and either lost or reap the benefits.