quarashi said: dougsdad0629 said: Sansui said: I had two PS2's die on me, but I was ok with getting them replaced under warranty because 1.) I loved my ps2 and 2.) I had a great game library available to me. I got real lucky on the second death, since it was just 2 or 3 days before my extended warranty was about to lapse. I had to play my launch PS1 upside down for many of the final months of its life. Same with my dreamcast (which to be fair was knocked over by a cat, but still played afterward if it was upside down). I didn't even get the ps1 replaced by warranty, it was well expired by then.. had to just buy a new one. My 360 has not RRoD'd on me, but if it does, no big deal. Three year coverage + the other extended warranty I have means I really have nothing to worry about other than losing my game console for two weeks. I've never abandoned any of my other consoles because they broke on me, not sure why I'd start with the 360, especially considering it has the better game library this gen. My question to the OP is.... why are you so fickle about the whether your console breaks or not? If you happened to be the unlucky soul whose ps3 broke twice, would you abandon your ps3? If you answered no, then you should rethink posing this question to others :P Haven't had any trouble with my PS3. If the shoe was on the other foot and Sony had hardware issues, I'd have avoided the PS3. Several people have said basically, "So what if you lose your console for a few weeks?" That's just ridiculous. People have been way too quick to forgive MS for this fiasco. I spend several hundred dollars on something, it should work and I shouldn't be OK with it if it doesn't.   So if your car just dies on you a few times you give up on it?  Granted that there are many ways for your car to die on you, lets say the first is battery, then radiator, then transmission.  Are you going to give up on that?  I sure as hell wouldn't.

 

It's not the same :P   A 360 dies for the same reason: Overheating, not like a car that does for multiple reasons

Also, a car can be what? $20k-$80k?  You can't just give up on something like that :)  

Besides, you can get a superior console (as in hardware...blu-ray alone could be considered) for not much of a difference in price

But yeah, we still have the game library issue...but that has more to do with tastes

MakoInfused said: quarashi said: dougsdad0629 said: Sansui said: I had two PS2's die on me, but I was ok with getting them replaced under warranty because 1.) I loved my ps2 and 2.) I had a great game library available to me. I got real lucky on the second death, since it was just 2 or 3 days before my extended warranty was about to lapse. I had to play my launch PS1 upside down for many of the final months of its life. Same with my dreamcast (which to be fair was knocked over by a cat, but still played afterward if it was upside down). I didn't even get the ps1 replaced by warranty, it was well expired by then.. had to just buy a new one. My 360 has not RRoD'd on me, but if it does, no big deal. Three year coverage + the other extended warranty I have means I really have nothing to worry about other than losing my game console for two weeks. I've never abandoned any of my other consoles because they broke on me, not sure why I'd start with the 360, especially considering it has the better game library this gen. My question to the OP is.... why are you so fickle about the whether your console breaks or not? If you happened to be the unlucky soul whose ps3 broke twice, would you abandon your ps3? If you answered no, then you should rethink posing this question to others :P Haven't had any trouble with my PS3. If the shoe was on the other foot and Sony had hardware issues, I'd have avoided the PS3. Several people have said basically, "So what if you lose your console for a few weeks?" That's just ridiculous. People have been way too quick to forgive MS for this fiasco. I spend several hundred dollars on something, it should work and I shouldn't be OK with it if it doesn't.   So if your car just dies on you a few times you give up on it? Granted that there are many ways for your car to die on you, lets say the first is battery, then radiator, then transmission. Are you going to give up on that? I sure as hell wouldn't.     It's not the same :P A 360 dies for the same reason: Overheating, not like a car that does for multiple reasons Also, a car can be what? $20k-$80k? You can't just give up on something like that :) Besides, you can get a superior console (as in hardware...blu-ray alone could be considered) for not much of a difference in price But yeah, we still have the game library issue...but that has more to do with tastes

Kn has said that he has only had one RROD in what like 6 XBOXs.  I said the car because he was saying that a console can be a big investment, and it can.  Plus a car can range anywhere from $1k- A lot.  It just depends on your taste like you said.

 

misteromar mk4 said: I agree with TC, Im just completely astounded as to how M$ have got away with it. Its the most defective consumer product I have ever heard of. In alot of countries it is illegal to sell a product that has a defect rate over a certain percent, something like 2% to 3 % and at most 5%. But some how they have avoided this, not a single country has made them do a recall. I guess it was just the over all M$ Juggernaut with billion is cash for law suits that stopped it. Next is how well they conned the consumers. People start with the "öh but they will fix it"etc etc, but that is far from the point. If you are paying money for a expensive item like a gaming console, it should not be so prone to breaking, that you expect it to happen. The rrod at one point was as high as 37%, that is just ridiculous, out of ever 100 customers, 37 had their's break. What other consumer electronics could get away with this? It should be like 1 in 10000 people that may have a problems with a product. What I hate the most is they have never come out and admitted the problems, said what they gonna about, they have said jack shit.

 

MS haven't got away with it. They offered to fix every RROD console for free if it happens within 3 years of purchase, and they set aside a billion dollars to pay for it. How is that getting away with it? They weren't forced to do it by a court, as Sony were with the PS2 DRE issues that they still denied were a problem even after losing a class action lawsuit. People have short memories when it comes to these things.

Where are the figures from MS that show the RROD rate was as high as 37%? Oh yeah - they don't exist.

NJ5 said: Playstation fans should identify themselves with this. I remember playing on an upside-down PS1 at a friend's place, and I remember people who bought more than one PS2. The former is no big deal (although a bit ridiculous), but the latter is clearly worse than getting RROD.

 

I remember that... My PS1 did just fine, but my PS2 gave me the DRE after about 5 years (It was a launch system). My friend had it worse though, his first PS1 just died, his dog... urinated on his second one (never kept his consoles near the floor after that), his first PS2 DRE'd, and his second one is in the process of dying. I think its because of this that he's kinda not keen on getting a PS3 or 360.

OT: I've never owned a 360 (mainly because almost everyone I know has one), but the RRoD was the big reason, other than a lack of money, that I don't own one. I plan on getting one soonish, just as soon as I can save up enough money. (For those of you who are wondering, I did a job for my parents and they bought my PS3... no such luck with getting a 360 though)

quarashi said: So if your car just dies on you a few times you give up on it?  Granted that there are many ways for your car to die on you, lets say the first is battery, then radiator, then transmission.  Are you going to give up on that?  I sure as hell wouldn't.

 I have given up on cars because the transmission is shot. It is often more expensive to fix the car than it is to just replace it. Of couse I have never payed more than $700 for a car and on average only pay $500. But all of this is extremely off-topic.

 I have yet to encounter the RROD but it wouldn't slow me down honestly. It has games I like to play and I can't get them anywhere else mostly. If somehow Culdcept Saga and Lost Odyssey are great games that exist only for the 360. There are also a few multiplatform games that help push me over the edge by not appearing on the Wii (Soul Calibur and Armored Core 4). If I had to pay to get it fixed I might reconsider but I don't so I won't. Why give up something forever because you are without it for a couple weeks?

i tolerate it because i never had a RROD and i've had it since Nov. 22, 2005

If I considered the PS3 superior, I'd have bought one. I could own both if I wanted to. To me it's inferior in several ways, which is why I bought a 360. The RROD is not guaranteed to happen and if it does, the console will be repaired for free.

As for car analogies, it's not like cars haven't been released with flaws and had to be recalled and repaired. MS don't need to do a recall because firstly it's hardly a matter of life or death if you're without a console for 2 weeks and secondly, not every 360 is guaranteed to be affected so why pay to replace consoles that might continue to work just fine?

for the same reason I stuck with my ps2 after its drive failed twice - the games delivereth.

RockSmith372 said: i tolerate it because i never had a RROD and i've had it since Nov. 22, 2005

 

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Post 2000! xD

I've had more trouble with my Wii and PS3 this generation than my Xbox360 (Falcon). Its been knocked around while playing, it sits next to my heater and it still works like a champ. I feel confident that the design is solid and it won't have issues.

My PS3 is tucked away safely in the corner and its broken once and its on its way to breaking again. Both times are out of warranty.

My Wii drive broke out of warranty and I had to put in a refurbished drive. Funny thing though is that when I put it back together I left out like 6 screws! xD

Do you guys know that the PS3 sixaxis is broken? Sony hasn't fully implemented it because one of the components in about 1/5th of every sixaxis controller is dead? Rather than admit it, they just turned it off so they didn't have to pay for new controllers or admit that there is a problem. (I read this somewhere about someone who opened up a bunch of controllers and found many of them had broken sixaxis componentry)

I think this is a very moot issue, if you hate hardware faults badly enough why don't you wait until after the price cut and Jasper revision to pick one up? The 3 year warranty isn't going anyway so you're better off with a Jasper Xbox360 than a PS3. Combining solid reliability with a 3 year warranty is excellent in my book.

Given the legacy costs of offering a 3 year warranty Microsoft has every incentive to make Xbox360s reliable. Look at the I think Neogaf thread, hardly any Falcon Xbox360s have problems and with the new drive and GPU shrink what problems there are will surely be aleviated.