If a feeling is based on a false assumption, that assumption is still false, no matter how you try to spin it.

Bursche said: jman8 said: E3 is the biggest game show in America. This is a show that companies typically use to reveal their short to midterm plan. Remember, this is the show that just a few years ago really revealed to the western press the direction that Nintendo was going go with the Wii. The fact that Nintendo didn't find it important enough to show anything that hardcore gamers would care about, further reveals the direction they're taking the Wii.   E3 has changed since 2 years ago if you havent noticed. What announcements were made at E3 this year? Wii Motion Plus and Final Fantasy 13 for 360. That is pretty much it. All three did not bring their big guns, showing that E3 is a shell of its former self. While gamers still cling to the hope that E3 might become the awesome expo it once was, the fact of the matter is it isnt. It isnt even close.

 

That is no doubt true. Here's the problem. I own a PS3 and I watched Sony's conference. I agree, nothing big was revealed. But I did get to see a ton of games I'm interested in. I might've seen them before, but I got to see a lot of them in much closer detail. The LittleBigPlanet demo for example was absolutely brilliant and got me more amped for the game than before. I now know that it is coming in October. I got a brief glimpse of Motorstorm and got confirmation it's coming in October. I got to see Resistance and was informed it's coming in November. I was told Killzone would for sure ship in February '09. Then I was shown Infamous for the first time and was blown away. It's coming "spring" '09. That means, Sony on its own without 3rd parties is supplying me with enough games to last from now till next E3. The 360 had a similar showing.

On the other hand, Nintendo showed me nothing. Nintendo gave me no reason to look forward to the next 12 months. And after playing a ton of great titles so far in the Wii's life, not having anything to look forward to is a kick in the balls. Sure, things could get announced later scheduled for release some time in '09. But for at least the next 5 months from now till the end of the year, judging by IGN's release schedule, my Wii is going to be collecting dust.

LordTheNightKnight said: If a feeling is based on a false assumption, that assumption is still false, no matter how you try to spin it.

 

It's not completely false though. One of the assumptions going into E3 was that b/c no games had been announced for the last half of the year, Nintendo would announce something during E3, but nothing came. Yeah, Mario and Zelda and Pikmin are coming. But how long am I going to have to wait?

Go check out IGN's release schedule: http://wii.ign.com/index/release.html

Please point out the games I should be excited about. The only ones I see that have potential are:

Tales of Symphonia

Call of Duty 5

Star Wars Force Unleashed

Rock Band

Guitar Hero

Skate it

Animal Crossing

There's only 2 exclusive titles there, both of which personally aren't my cup of tea.

A Long time ago, in a web-forum far far away ....

http://vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=4122

akuma587 said: I think the Wii is trying to please to many people. Shiggy touting the WiiFit almost feels like betrayal.

 

Kwaad said: It sounds like Nintendo failed too. How will sony do?

 

Andir said: I'm at work, so I didn't see the feed, but looking at the Joystiq live blog I'm not seeing anything about third party. Was this a total Nintendo "wank fest"? "Pulling their own rope" per say? ...and what's so great about an exercise game? Am I missing the point of video gaming? I can go outside and run or do push-ups in my living room. :/ I want story lines, new worlds... and things I can't do in real life.

 

Kwaad said: E3 is about gamers. Casual gamers dont watch E3. Casual gamers dont watch G4TV. Casual gamers dont come here and talk about games. Casual gamers dont go to IGN to see how the progress on their favorite is comming. It would seem that the media companies are comming to a screeching halt, up-talking the Wii. I'm actually amazed all you guys arent saying 'OMFG NINTENDO OWNED MICROSOFT. NINTENDO WILL RULE FOR ALL TIME!!!' The fact you guys are kinda iffy and reserve... Really makes me think nintendo failed to do what you are meant to do at E3. Impress, amaze, and entertain. If Sony takes home E3, I think sony might be able to win this one agian, becuase sales will skyrocket. G4TV is talking about Halo3 and Killzone2 still. Their already over Nintendo. LOL

 

mrstickball said: Kwaad, I agree. From everything I've read, Nintendo did nothing that awesome other than: Mention a few new things like the Zapper and Board Show vids of SSBB and SMG (very good) Announce Wii Health Ensure there's a MKWii Nothing, and I mean nothing, of this is new except for the fitness board. As a gamer (an actual gamer), I don't see anything they've announced that'd make me want to buy a Wii (which I was/am considering), but it seems like they've totally decided to destroy old Nintendocore people like myself, and shift so far into the Blue Ocean, that any sort of actual game (you know, with a story line) isn't being promoted as much as it could, since no new IPs were announced that were.....games. Im thinking Sony could pull away with some smidgen of momentum if they really had something good to show that didn't involve their upcoming lineup of games. If they could announce a major shift with new IPs, they could win. But if Nintendo, who has all the momentum and cash for new games, can't do it; I really doubt Sony can. MS: C+ (B+ for games, D- for Hardware, D for effort) Nintendo: B- (D for games, B for hardware, B for effort)

   Anyways ... I can't say for sure, but I suspect that Nintendo has paid close attention over the past several years and tried to see the impact (in the media) to what kind of response they (and other companies) get from certain events and types of announcements. If you announce and demonstrate a game at E3 you're bound to get a ton of press from the gaming press, but you're also going to get a ton of press from the mainstream media; in any other forum you can still get the amazing response of the gaming press but it becomes (nearly) impossible to get coverage in the Mainstream media. Since 2005, Nintendo has been working more and more towards releasing information about games which are targeted towards people who are not going to read the gaming blogs to get information about games. 

thekitchensink said: A little off-topic, but there's no way they'll have another E3 like that. After the horrible backlash, and the palpable discomfort of each one of Reggie, Dunaway, and especially Miyamoto and Iwata, I can't see any sane company doing that again. I found the comic funny, but a little painful.

Your pic is broken (for me at least), but given its length, vgcats?

Anyways I don't see the big deal, everyone slammed Sony after E3 '06.

So what ... fans are mad because Nintendo had a terrible e3 ... was it really necessary to make a thread about this ?

hunter_alien said: So what ... fans are mad because Nintendo had a terrible e3 ... was it really necessary to make a thread about this ?

 

Way to not actually look at the topic.

LordTheNightKnight said: Just go to joystiq and look up their latest weekly webcomic roundup. And as for the Ubisoft thing, I would state that as a reason NOT to jump on Nintendo. And you are completely ignoring that Reggie and Cammie were NOT the only Nintendo execs making statements about E3 and Nintendo. Miyamoto and Iwata did state that Nintendo is working on core games, they just don't feel they have to announce them all at E3. Futhermore, Iwata did acknowledge that E3 conference gave the wrong idea, which means Nintendo doesn't feel that way, or else they wouldn't have felt the need to apologize. http://kotaku.com/5027984/iwata-so-very-very-sorry-for-nintendos-e3-presser

Ok you don't seem to get it sir. People aren't pissed because they didn't announce games at E3. People are pissed because Nintendo isn't offering us much this Fall. The lineup is being held up mainly by third party titles, and truthfully, Wii 3rd party support isn't exactly the shining beacon DS 3rd party support is for Nintendo to let them run the Wii's fall schedule. Sony and Microsoft have multiple times over better third party support, and STILL they rely on their own published titles to carry the holidays. Miyamoto can announce games till he's blue in the face, but how soon do you really expect any of those three "announcements"? They're not coming this Fall, and personally I only expect Pikmin by Fall 2009.

Do you remember on these boards before E3, people would create threads saying Wii has no Fall lineup? What did everyone tell those people? "Wait until E3. The games will come." E3 is over and done with, and not a whole lot got announced for this Fall, and nothing else probably will. So those people actually were right, in their trollish ways. Nintendo actually did not have a strong Fall lineup planned. THAT is what's pissing people off. Where are the games? I have $50 put aside for Wario Land Shake It, and nothing else.

Why doesn't Nintendo have a strong Fall lineup though? They have so many teams and don't have much of anything coming out for both platforms. It's purely mismanagement if Nintendo can;t secure a strong fall lineup for at least one of it's platforms. If this were Sony or Microsoft that didn't bring their big guns come XMas shopping season, we'd see the same bitching and moaning towards them. Sony is bringing Resistance 2, Little Big Planet and SOCOM to march. Microsoft is bringing Gears of War 2, Fable 2, and Banjo-Kazooie Nuts and Bolts to march. Nintendo is bringing Animal Crossing, Wario Land and Captain Rainbow? Huh? SHOULD I be happy?

 

I don't really get the backlash here. E3 is the one time during the year that the mainstream press pays attention to video games. Obviously then what you really most should be talking about is your casual lineup, since it's about the only time you can get that information out to the casual audience. Look at how huge it was for Wii Fit last year. Showcasing anything hardcore at E3 thus is a waste of time since the hardcore will pay attention to you the other 364 days of the year anyway.

Not announcing games at E3 is not proof they aren't making games this fall.

And even if they are not releasing that many, you forget DS 3rd party support was weak until Nintendo did THIS EXACT THING with the DS. They got in a few killer apps, and then held back on games after a year and a half. The third parties came in, realized their games DO sell on Nintendo systems.

It was only AFTER that when 3rd party support for the DS turned into what it is.

Nintendo isn't abandoning the hardcore. They're likely just using a sneaky trick to get the hardcore back.