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Naum on 21 July 2008

Nintendo have released more "core" games these last 18 month then any other company have.



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BengaBenga on 21 July 2008
greenmedic88 said:
NJ5 said:
@greenmedic88: Use the aligned launches comparison tool for each territory, and see how the HD consoles together are selling significantly less than the consoles of the previous generation. Then, using the same tool, look at how the Wii is the one driving growth in the console market.

After doing that, tell us if you maintain your theory that Nintendo is the one driving the market away ;)

You came to the wrong conclusion if you think my theory is that Nintendo is driving the market away.

It doesn't take any degree of intelligence to look at the sales growth for Nintendo to see that their strategy, which has exceeded anyone's expectations, has been wildly successful.

The point being made is that Nintendo's focus is no longer on their own core demographic, at least not on the basis of last week's E3 showing.

If the keynote was any indication, the consumers responsible for Nintendo's current success (non-traditional demographic) are now what they consider to be their "new" core demographic and stand likely to be the continued focus for Nintendo's continual growth strategy.

 

 

Dude, you're on a sales site. Check the numbers before you start screaming stuff.

The sales growth comes for the most part from the PS2 gamer that switches systems. Don't believe the non-gamer myth. There are 50 million PS2's in the US alone. A lot of households already had a gaming device. The only thing Nintendo changed is the number of family members that use that device.
If anything sales of casual games like Guitar Hero and Lego Indiana Jones do inevitably point to tha fact that the PS2-casuals are now Wii gamers.

If they don't focus on their own demographic I wonder why Galaxy, Brawl, Kart etc. are so enormously popular that not only will they sell lots more than their Gamecube and even N64 versions, but even will be the best selling games of the year platform wide.

Their E3 keynote only indicates that they understand how to reach the wider audience. Sure, they probably underestimated the fan reaction, and I'm pretty sure they won't repeat this, but this E3 was the only time in the year they could reach the "normal" media, and thus the mothers/fathers that will be in charge of buying a gaming system for the family. But that doesn't prevent the kids from playing the core games.



Squilliam on 21 July 2008
BengaBenga said:
Squilliam said:

Another thing that people forget is that when your software team can release a mainstream title and make twice as much there is far less incentive to make any title that caters to the much smaller core market.

Nintendo themselves for their 1st party releases probaby is going to focus 60/40 or 70/30 of their efforts to Mainstream/Core which doesn't give the Core market much when you consider that titles for those genres can much longer to develop.

 

That's a ridiculous statement.

First of all: Mainstream titles? Almost all Nintendo games are mainstream titles. Mario, Smash Bros, Kart all sold in the several millions. That's mainstream as hell. Zelda is pretty mainstream as well. So yeah, Nintendo will keep making mainstream titles, although not in the way you see it.

You clearly still believe in the non-games fable. What non-games have Nintendo given us? I'd say that WiiPlay is the only one so far that you could call that, but it's $10. I think WiiMusic might come very close. Saying WiiSports and WiiFit are not games is stupid. These are revolutions in videogaming, whether you like it or not. MotionPlus be as well. So that's two games in two years. In the same period we've seen a lot of games that also appeal to the core:

Galaxy, Brawl, Zelda, Kart, Fire Emblem, Batallion Wars, Paper Mario, Metroid. That's quite a list there. Mind you that's in only 18 months.
And coming: Fatal Frame 4 (hey, that's a Nintendo franchise now, Nintendo sure doesn't care about the core anymore), Animal Crossing, Pikmin, Disaster, Kid Icarus.

Nintendo knows their main income are the Nintendo games. Sure a "casual" title once a year will be there, but I'm pretty sure that doesn't hurt core game development at all.

 

Err you're going off half cocked. What you're saying and what I was meaning are pretty close together.

Mainstream = Mario Kart, Core = Metroid, Hardcore/Nichecore = Fire Emblem. (For me)

Those are the target markets IMO anyway, doesn't make someone who plays Mariokart mainstream thats just the area of the market they are targeted at IMO.

 

 

 



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NJ5 on 21 July 2008
greenmedic88 said:
NJ5 said:
@greenmedic88: Use the aligned launches comparison tool for each territory, and see how the HD consoles together are selling significantly less than the consoles of the previous generation. Then, using the same tool, look at how the Wii is the one driving growth in the console market.

After doing that, tell us if you maintain your theory that Nintendo is the one driving the market away ;)

You came to the wrong conclusion if you think my theory is that Nintendo is driving the market away.

It doesn't take any degree of intelligence to look at the sales growth for Nintendo to see that their strategy, which has exceeded anyone's expectations, has been wildly successful.

The point being made is that Nintendo's focus is no longer on their own core demographic, at least not on the basis of last week's E3 showing.

If the keynote was any indication, the consumers responsible for Nintendo's current success (non-traditional demographic) are now what they consider to be their "new" core demographic and stand likely to be the continued focus for Nintendo's continual growth strategy.

 

 

 I think I understood your post, which is why I wrote what I did. You believe Nintendo is driving the core demographic away. On the other hand, as I said, it's a fact that the HD consoles are capturing less of the core market than the previous generation of consoles did. According to this fact plus your belief, one would conclude the video games core market is dying... Do you think that's reality?

I don't, which is why I believe Sony and Microsoft are the ones driving away the core gamer (by action or inaction). These core gamers are buying the Wii, and explain part of its fantastic sales. The rest is explained by new demographics which Nintendo brought to the games market.

 



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Squilliam on 21 July 2008
NJ5 said:
greenmedic88 said:
NJ5 said:
@greenmedic88: Use the aligned launches comparison tool for each territory, and see how the HD consoles together are selling significantly less than the consoles of the previous generation. Then, using the same tool, look at how the Wii is the one driving growth in the console market.

After doing that, tell us if you maintain your theory that Nintendo is the one driving the market away ;)

You came to the wrong conclusion if you think my theory is that Nintendo is driving the market away.

It doesn't take any degree of intelligence to look at the sales growth for Nintendo to see that their strategy, which has exceeded anyone's expectations, has been wildly successful.

The point being made is that Nintendo's focus is no longer on their own core demographic, at least not on the basis of last week's E3 showing.

If the keynote was any indication, the consumers responsible for Nintendo's current success (non-traditional demographic) are now what they consider to be their "new" core demographic and stand likely to be the continued focus for Nintendo's continual growth strategy.

 

 

 I think I understood your post, which is why I wrote what I did. You believe Nintendo is driving the core demographic away. On the other hand, as I said, it's a fact that the HD consoles are capturing less of the core market than the previous generation of consoles did. According to this fact plus your belief, one would conclude the video games core market is dying... Do you think that's reality?

I don't, which is why I believe Sony and Microsoft are the ones driving away the core gamer (by action or inaction). These core gamers are buying the Wii, and explain part of its fantastic sales. The rest is explained by new demographics which Nintendo brought to the games market.

 

Its not that they are driving them away its just that they aren't catering to their needs as well as Nintendo. So of course Nintendo is grabbing that part of the market with both hands. Its not the inadequancy of Sony and Microsoft its just that Nintendo is doing its job the best for these people and hence is being rewarded for their good work.

 



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greenmedic88 on 21 July 2008

No one's screaming, but since you brought it up, the numbers currently say the same game published cross platform still sells higher on the PS2 for games like Guitar Hero and Lego Indiana Jones, undoubtedly due to the larger installed user base.

I agree that the Wii is largely competing with the PS2 in terms of overall user base, seeing as how the PS2 was last generation's broadest market seller, even if one were to completely exclude the significance of its own core demographic. Franchises like Sing Star, DDR and Guitar Hero did more for the platform overall in selling to the broadest demographic than any MGS, GoW or even FF game ever did.

When the largest of traditional core blockbusters on a platform sells to less than 10% of its overall user base, that says right there that the core demographic is not driving anywhere near a majority percentage of its revenues unless you run the assumption that the core demographic is buying multiple times more games than the typical consumer (often true, but not for every person in the core demographic).

The same applies to the Wii. Assuming a scenario in which one is studying soft attach rates in a hypothetical 100m + user base, it is far more likely to see core Nintendo franchises like Brawl and Kart see a lower overall attach rate than with what would be seen with a far smaller user base like the current one.

Games like Wii Sports Resort, Wii Play and Wii Fit on the other hand would likely see much higher attach rates in the same scenario. Why? Because they appeal to a larger audience. And that's really the only explanation that need be given for this year's E3 press conference.

Games like Wii Fit and Wii Play will be the best sellers on the platform this year, not Brawl and Kart.



greenmedic88 on 21 July 2008

Anyway, Nintendo is not "driving away" their traditional core audience. The E3 press conference may have been a let down, but only because that core audience had certain expectations that were not met, based upon promises that were made by Nintendo.

Not that Nintendo owes anyone a token announcement and or video of an upcoming sequel to a franchise everyone knows is in the works anyway.

As it's already been said, there are other big media events left in the year for such announcements like TGS and Leipzig. It's not as though Nintendo has decided they're going to stop making Mario games because they can sell more copies of games like Wii Sports Resort.

Those core franchises will always remain just that: the core of Nintendo's line up. They just aren't the focus anymore since there is greater growth to be seen with franchises like Wii Fit, Wii Sports, Wii Play, Wii Music, etc.



celine on 21 July 2008
Squilliam said:

Another thing that people forget is that when your software team can release a mainstream title and make twice as much there is far less incentive to make any title that caters to the much smaller core market.

Nintendo themselves for their 1st party releases probaby is going to focus 60/40 or 70/30 of their efforts to Mainstream/Core which doesn't give the Core market much when you consider that titles for those genres can much longer to develop.

Bollocks.

 



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Squilliam on 21 July 2008
celine said:
Squilliam said:

Another thing that people forget is that when your software team can release a mainstream title and make twice as much there is far less incentive to make any title that caters to the much smaller core market.

Nintendo themselves for their 1st party releases probaby is going to focus 60/40 or 70/30 of their efforts to Mainstream/Core which doesn't give the Core market much when you consider that titles for those genres can much longer to develop.

Bollocks.

 


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MadHatter on 21 July 2008

I'm about to believe that it's Sony behind this recent trend of trashing Nintendo...

You know how easy it is... you post something, then someone replies and soon you have an explossion of threads about some issue that actually never really happened... 

I'm a Core gamer since the early 90s and I don't feel that suddently Nintendo betrayed me.

How many more core titles the other 2 consoles released compared to Wii?  And I'm talking about good titles, with depth in gameplay and replay value... 

 

 



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