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Since I am neither a psychic nor a good enough analyst, in order to predict Wii's future I look at the 2nd best thing DS. And DS has so much in common with the Wii it is not even funny, when DS came out every claimed that it was a gimmick and a lot of people predicted that PSP is going to wipe the floor with it due to it's superior processing. But once Brain Age and Nintendogs rolled in DS started to sell like hotcakes and now everyone and their dog makes games for the DS.

Of course, Wii does not equal DS but there are a few things to be learned from all of this:
1. Developers could care less about loyalties, they only care about profit margins.
2. It takes time for the developers to shift their focus. It takes years before a game goes from just a concept to a finished product.
3. Inferior technical specs dont matter nearly as much as some claim. PS2 also proved that.

The Wii may not dominate its competitors just as PS2 but I think that is mainly due to the fact that PS2 had some of the worst competition ever. It came out a year ahead of Gamecube and Xbox, Gamecube had a terrible image and Xbox was the first ever attempt by Microsoft in the console business. I would love to see how PS2 would have done if it came out at the same time as its competitors and was predicted to be in the last place.



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Impulsivity said:
Even the biggest Wii fanboys on here are making predictions like the Wii selling three more then any other console. Look at the PS2 numbers, its going on 6 times more sales then any of that generations consoles and STILL selling. I'm sure a lot of you remember the PS1 selling well after the PS2 came out as well.

The Wii will, in the short term, have the most consoles for a good while, at least a few years until the PS3 drops to a low PS2 like price (199ish). It will then be replaced along with the PS3 (and hopefully not the 360, though it seems like MS has a thing for losing money by venturing outside its Windows/Office walled garden) and stop selling very quickly since it will be very very obsolete by then (like NES compared to N64). The PS3 will probably be inferior to the PS4 by a sufficient margin but about equal to the next Wii (just like the PS2 is more or less equal to the current Wii) and will keep on selling past 100 million while the PS4 starts out slower since it costs more.

When the Wii+gamecube sales are greater then the PS2 by itself, then go ahead and declare Nintendo victory. When that day comes you will probably find me ice skating in hell.

 

 Even the biggest Wii fanboys on here are making predictions like the Wii selling three more then an other console. Look at the PS2 numbers, its going on 6 times more sales then any of that generations consoles and STILL selling. I'm sure a lot of you remember the PS1 selling well after the PS2 came out as well.

Just for the fact, it's 5 times as much at the moment. And the Wii selling 3 times either Ps3/X360 isn't impossible. After all, it is at more than double Ps3 right now. Look at the sales for 08 - Wii 9.3M, X360 3.6M. That's not a whole lot away from 3 times. Combine this with the fact that Wii is likely to have a longer lifetime than the 360, and 3 times isn't impossible.

The Wii will, in the short term, have the most consoles for a good while, at least a few years until the PS3 drops to a low PS2 like price (199ish). It will then be replaced along with the PS3 (and hopefully not the 360, though it seems like MS has a thing for losing money by venturing outside its Windows/Office walled garden) and stop selling very quickly since it will be very very obsolete by then (like NES compared to N64). The PS3 will probably be inferior to the PS4 by a sufficient margin but about equal to the next Wii (just like the PS2 is more or less equal to the current Wii) and will keep on selling past 100 million while the PS4 starts out slower since it costs more.

But the problem is that  the Ps2 didn't start out slow. As a matter of fact, it had won before the Gamecube/Xbox was even on the market. This time around, the Ps3 has already lost Japan, and is slipping in America. When the Ps3 is 199 dollars, the Wii is likely to be 129, or 149 dollars. At that point, Sony would still lose money, while Nintendo would still go profit pr console sold. By that time, there wouldn't be a lot of time left until the new consoles are out, and the very max the Ps3 should sell after that is 20M - and that is very optimistic.

When the Wii+gamecube sales are greater then the PS2 by itself, then go ahead and declare Nintendo victory. When that day comes you will probably find me ice skating in hell.

Oh, so you actually admit you're going to hell. That's great, thanks for not having me tell you. Okay, that was a joke, but more seriously.

The Wii is at almost 30M. Combine that with the Gamecube, and you get 50M. The Ps2 sold less than 10M last year, and is selling a lot slower now. I doubt it has more than tops 10M to go. So let's say that - but remember, that's optimistic.

So the Wii needs to sell 80M more. To say that it has NO SHOT AT ALL at this, is several times worse than saying that Wii will triple the 360. So in the future, I recommend using the mirror, not the binoculars.



http://www.vgchartz.com/games/userreviewdisp.php?id=261

That is VGChartz LONGEST review. And it's NOT Cute Kitten DS

Oh, and while the Wii will be ages away from being as dominant as the Ps2 in market share, it will be ages in front for profit.



http://www.vgchartz.com/games/userreviewdisp.php?id=261

That is VGChartz LONGEST review. And it's NOT Cute Kitten DS

On the Console front I would say the Wii has the best shot..... But in all honesty the DS is going to beat the PS2 in total sales.



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1. Yoshi: He ate my car and spit out a toaster.

2. Igglybuff: Totally false advertisement. You can have as many as you like they don't buff nothing.

3. the Terms Hardcore/Softcore... We're talking Video Games. Not Porn.

4. The term Casual as relates to Gamers: We make them sound like outsider's that happen to play games.  If that were the case they'd own a PS3.

5. Donuts.... Beacause I drink Beer...... and the biggest fan of Donuts hates Beer.

6. Boycotts: Their so lame.

 

 

Take that back DS has already beat the PS2 on the sales front.



Boycotting the following:

1. Yoshi: He ate my car and spit out a toaster.

2. Igglybuff: Totally false advertisement. You can have as many as you like they don't buff nothing.

3. the Terms Hardcore/Softcore... We're talking Video Games. Not Porn.

4. The term Casual as relates to Gamers: We make them sound like outsider's that happen to play games.  If that were the case they'd own a PS3.

5. Donuts.... Beacause I drink Beer...... and the biggest fan of Donuts hates Beer.

6. Boycotts: Their so lame.

 

 

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why is it that all the wii naysayers have incredibly low post counts? Perhaps it's just experience. After enough time is spent watching predictions of wii failing, slowing down, it's a fad, the bubble will burst any month now, ect you eventually stop predicting it's demise and move on to saying it's not competing with the NEXT GEN consoles. Just my guess.



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The_vagabond7 said:
why is it that all the wii naysayers have incredibly low post counts? Perhaps it's just experience. After enough time is spent watching predictions of wii failing, slowing down, it's a fad, the bubble will burst any month now, ect you eventually stop predicting it's demise and move on to saying it's not competing with the NEXT GEN consoles. Just my guess.

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ur thread is great ,,,

u have a good point ,,

i agree with u,, :)



Gearbox said:
The PS3 is doing just as good as the PS2 did, look at hardware from launch. Wii is doing amazing but it's starting to slow now. PS3 is picking up.

Like comon look at this line up of AAA games
Tekken 6, resistance 2, LBP, motorstorm 2, gran turismo 5, afrika, infamous, GoW3, Killzone 2, resident evil 5, wardevil and more(i got 2 lazy 2 contineu 2 say the rest)

 

That's Crazzy talk...

Personally, I think that the OP is somewhat correct, though not for the same reasons.  I think the Wii will eventually outsell the PS2, but the competition this generation is much stronger than last, so it won't have the complete domination that the PS2 did.



BECAUSE PS3 is ONLY 1,5 year on the market of its 6-8 years of LIFE.



Every 5 seconds on earth one child dies from hunger...

2009.04.30 - PS3 will OUTSELL x360 atleast by the middle of 2010. Japan+Europe > NA.


Gran Turismo 3 - 1,06 mln. in 3 weeks with around 4 mln. PS2 on the launch.
Gran Turismo 4 - 1,16 mln. with 18 mln. PS2 on the launch.

Final Fantasy X - around 2 mln. with 5 mln. PS2 on the launch.
Final Fantasy X-2 - 2.4 mln. with 12 mln. PS2 on the launch.

 

1.8 mln. PS3 today(2008.01.17) in Japan. Now(2009.04.30) 3.16 mln. PS3 were sold in Japan.
PS3 will reach 4 mln. in Japan by the end of 2009 with average weekly sales 25k.

PS3 may reach 5 mln. in Japan by the end of 2009 with average weekly sales 50k.
PS2 2001 vs PS3 2008 sales numbers =) + New games released in Japan by 2009 that passed 100k so far